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[Metrohoboken]

Maybe "surprised" is the wrong word.  Disappointed.

Was hoping hausenhuttel myself with German and RB multiple connection

[RedBullScouse]

Was hoping hausenhuttel myself with German and RB multiple connection

I thought the Sacramento option was even better.  I know pandering to the community usually backfires, but I think he would be better able to attract the type of talent we should be going for, and he maybe would like the idea of finally getting a head coaching role.

[Sasa Curcic's Watch]

It's not really fair to use winning percentage when evaluating a manager of lower midtable teams like Mainz and a dumpster fire Hertha. By that metric, the majority of managers in top 5 leagues are failures.

Still, this isn't the most inspiring news. Hasenhüttl would have been great, but he probably wasn't a realistic option.

This pretty much in terms of his record. Plus Dinamo and hertha are both cluster fuck clubs pretty much impossible to have any success there. Still not a very inspiring hire. Did ok enough at Mainz but doesn't come off more than a journeyman coach.

Mainz just parted ways with Bo Svennson would've been a much more interesting hire if he would've been interested. Already was with the RB system in Liefering.

[jjtbone]

Guy has managed losing teams wherever he goes, besides barely being above .500 in Moscow

Sounds like he will fit right in with us!

[Borats]

Ex Hertha coach Sandro Schwarz will be our new coach, per German publication Bild:
https://m.bild.de/sp...www.google.com/

He coached Hertha into relegation and has been without a club since...not very inspiring, but then Marsch didn't exactly light it up in Europe either so maybe it's a non issue.

Exactly what the doctor ordered... LOL ... Folks still happy we got rid of Troy?

 

Marsch didn't light it up, but has drastically better record. Heck, even last year when he was sacked, Leeds was above the relegation line, and then dropped after he left. Why not get him? Fuck Schnider.

[Metrohoboken]

This pretty much in terms of his record. Plus Dinamo and hertha are both cluster fuck clubs pretty much impossible to have any success there. Still not a very inspiring hire. Did ok enough at Mainz but doesn't come off more than a journeyman coach.

Mainz just parted ways with Bo Svennson would've been a much more interesting hire if he would've been interested. Already was with the RB system in Liefering.

Bo? Apparently winless in 9 - weve seen that recently

I know nothing else about him

[Metrohoboken]

I thought the Sacramento option was even better.  I know pandering to the community usually backfires, but I think he would be better able to attract the type of talent we should be going for, and he maybe would like the idea of finally getting a head coaching role.

Ahgood point

[SatansHockey]

Exactly what the doctor ordered... LOL ... Folks still happy we got rid of Troy?
 

I am but Troy lost me with his nonsense in leagues cup.

I don't know anything about this coach but I'll wait till it's official and the season starts before I start longing for the likes of mid Troy to come back.

[odsum25]

Exactly what the doctor ordered... LOL ... Folks still happy we got rid of Troy?
 
Marsch didn't light it up, but has drastically better record. Heck, even last year when he was sacked, Leeds was above the relegation line, and then dropped after he left. Why not get him? Fuck Schnider.

You can't argue that Jesse was successful with Leeds and also make the argument that Schwartz wasn't equally successful with Mainz.

The statistics aren't really a fair comparison because of the varying status/expectation of clubs like RBS or RBL vs Mainz/Hertha, but just for kicks.

Jesse's PPG:

Leeds: 1.16
RBL: 1.33
RBS:2.18
RBNY: 1.7

Schwarz's PPG:

Hertha: .79
Dynamo Moscow: 1.76
Mainz: 1.14

Small sample size, but it's quite easy to argue that Jesse was way more disappointing in the Bundesliga at RBL than Schwartz at Mainz. Hertha was just a whole other level of dysfunctional, so it's hard to really compare...

Would I rather have Marsch because we know that he has been successful here? Sure, but there is no guarantee that he would actually come back here.

[Efried]

Hasenhüttl will work again in Europe. His stint at RBL was great and, with the exception of his last year, he did well enough at Southampton.

and any link to rbny was fan fiction

[Efried]

I thought the Sacramento option was even better.  I know pandering to the community usually backfires, but I think he would be better able to attract the type of talent we should be going for, and he maybe would like the idea of finally getting a head coaching role.

Sacramento is a career assistant also this https://www.dailymai...s-downfall.html

[RedBullScouse]

Sacramento is a career assistant also this https://www.dailymai...s-downfall.html

The "career assistant" aspect was why I thought he might be interested in coming here, but after reading that piece, no thank you.

[elf]

Ex Hertha coach Sandro Schwarz will be our new coach, per German publication Bild:
https://m.bild.de/sp...www.google.com/

He coached Hertha into relegation and has been without a club since...not very inspiring, but then Marsch didn't exactly light it up in Europe either so maybe it's a non issue.

An analysis of Schwartz tactics

https://totalfootbal...-coach-analysis

[Borats]

You can't argue that Jesse was successful with Leeds and also make the argument that Schwartz wasn't equally successful with Mainz.

The statistics aren't really a fair comparison because of the varying status/expectation of clubs like RBS or RBL vs Mainz/Hertha, but just for kicks.

Jesse's PPG:

Leeds: 1.16
RBL: 1.33
RBS:2.18
RBNY: 1.7

Schwarz's PPG:

Hertha: .79
Dynamo Moscow: 1.76
Mainz: 1.14

Small sample size, but it's quite easy to argue that Jesse was way more disappointing in the Bundesliga at RBL than Schwartz at Mainz. Hertha was just a whole other level of dysfunctional, so it's hard to really compare...

Would I rather have Marsch because we know that he has been successful here? Sure, but there is no guarantee that he would actually come back here.

Maintz yes, you can compare to Leeds, though to avoid relegation in Premiership I could argue is a much bigger accomplishment. Jesse did that twice, and second season he kept them above the line and AFTER he left, they actually went below the line. But Hartha, where he inherited #16 team above the line and took them to #18 below the line is where he really failed, and we can't discount that.

 

With all that said, I hope Sandro succeeds. He has some Bundesliga experience and it appears did pretty well in Moscow. Most recent experience really sucks though. Could be another Struber, but hoping for the best.

[odsum25]

Maintz yes, you can compare to Leeds, though to avoid relegation in Premiership I could argue is a much bigger accomplishment. Jesse did that twice, and second season he kept them above the line and AFTER he left, they actually went below the line. But Hartha, where he inherited #16 team above the line and took them to #18 below the line is where he really failed, and we can't discount that.
 
With all that said, I hope Sandro succeeds. He has some Bundesliga experience and it appears did pretty well in Moscow. Most recent experience really sucks though. Could be another Struber, but hoping for the best.

On the other hand, Schwarz took over Mainz after a 15th place finish and took them to 14th and 12th in the first two years, before slumping in 2019 and getting fired, so you might say that he exceeded Marsch's performances at Leeds. (It's also totally valid to put more weight into saving Leeds from relegation).

I guess the bigger point is that it's really hard to dig into statistics for managers outside of perennial Champions League contenders because everyone has a mixed bag of results. This isn't a truly exciting managerial appointment, but not an awful one. Like you say, we can only hope for the best.