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Really looks like the intention is to use NY purely for player development. Just as players get good they'll get gone.

There are differences between being a selling club and being a club that exists to sell players, like how much of a priority is selling players vs getting on field value out of them in the form of wins and hardware.

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Listen to the interview with Dax on MLSsoccer, when he talks about his conversation with Jesse. Basically, things will change with this club... there will be a lot more synergry with Salzburg and Leipzig. And that conversation was four years ago, and it is now 100% our reality.

 

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Really looks like the intention is to use NY purely for player development. Just as players get good they'll get gone.

There are differences between being a selling club and being a club that exists to sell players, like how much of a priority is selling players vs getting on field value out of them in the form of wins and hardware.

Ask Salzburg
We are good enough CL - this should make us better hopefully no guarantees

(Yes I still want the Cup and USOC and the CCL)
Seems preeety good for ATL

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Really looks like the intention is to use NY purely for player development. Just as players get good they'll get gone.

There are differences between being a selling club and being a club that exists to sell players, like how much of a priority is selling players vs getting on field value out of them in the form of wins and hardware.

There are very few Tyler Adams in the world, and even fewer coming out of MLS.   And they don't stay in MLS, no matter what the owner's philosophy is.  In order to develop any meaningful pipeline of talent for Salzburg or Leipzig,  our overall talent pool would have to get much better.   We would need to develop 10 "almost Tylers" to get one they could actually use.   A rising tide lifts all ships.    


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Really looks like the intention is to use NY purely for player development. Just as players get good they'll get gone.

There are differences between being a selling club and being a club that exists to sell players, like how much of a priority is selling players vs getting on field value out of them in the form of wins and hardware.

 

If we were really looking just to cut and run on any player as soon as an offer came along, wouldn't we have sold Long this past summer? To me that's a perfect example that we are capable of prioritizing a trophy over cash.

 

The idea that we're a farm team is coming entirely from Adam's $3M fee, which many thought was too low. I still think they're being overly dismissive of the sell-on fee... I don't think many people will complain about the deal if we get 33% of his next eight-figure transfer. 



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If we were really looking just to cut and run on any player as soon as an offer came along, wouldn't we have sold Long this past summer? To me that's a perfect example that we are capable of prioritizing a trophy over cash.

 

The idea that we're a farm team is coming entirely from Adam's $3M fee, which many thought was too low. I still think they're being overly dismissive of the sell-on fee... I don't think many people will complain about the deal if we get 33% of his next eight-figure transfer. 

The xfer fee is almost meaningless.  It's left pocket/right pocket.  Paying yourself cheaply for players just helps with FFP rules. Whatever budget they have for us is what it is.   


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Really looks like the intention is to use NY purely for player development. Just as players get good they'll get gone.

There are differences between being a selling club and being a club that exists to sell players, like how much of a priority is selling players vs getting on field value out of them in the form of wins and hardware.

striking the balance is hard, and we will see if the club is still as committed to winning as they were before.  That being said Salzburg has the same model and it hasn't stopped them from being successful.  It can work if they do it right but Mitchell/Hamlett need to do it right.  

 

We are all equally as pissed about last season, but i've always thought the optimal MLS strategy with the allocation rules is to sell a major player each year for max allocation.  750k is ~17.5% of the salary cap and thats a major advantage for retaining other players on rosters (Royer types) or making trades.  With a good recruitment team and with our academy providing cheaper depth you should be able to dominate in that setup. 



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The xfer fee is almost meaningless.  It's left pocket/right pocket.   Whatever budget they have for us is what it is.   Paying yourself cheaply for players just helps with FFP rules.

xfer fee in current MLS setup is meaningless anyway because you can only use $750k of it as allocation money anyway.  for RB sales its in our interest to have the fee just high enough to get max allocation, after that the league is just holding your money for you and has ability to approve or disapprove what you spend it on.  Which is dumb

 

The club's share of transfer or loan fee revenue may only be used as follows:

  • The club may assign up to $750,000 of the transfer/loan revenue as General Allocation Money. (In the case of Designated Players, such assignment of Allocation Money can only take place after the club has received 100% of its out-of-pocket investment).

  • The remaining balance of the club's share (if any), and which cannot be traded, will be available for use by clubs in the following ways:
    • Against the expenses incurred by the club in relation to the costs of an existing or new Designated Player; or

    • With League approval, against an expense that (i) would not otherwise have been incurred by the club; and (ii) reasonably represents an investment in the League or club (e.g., youth development and training facilities 





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xfer fee in current MLS setup is meaningless anyway because you can only use $750k of it as allocation money anyway.  for RB sales its in our interest to have the fee just high enough to get max allocation, after that the league is just holding your money for you and has ability to approve or disapprove what you spend it on.  Which is dumb

 

 

 

 

xfer fee in current MLS setup is meaningless anyway because you can only use $750k of it as allocation money anyway.  for RB sales its in our interest to have the fee just high enough to get max allocation, after that the league is just holding your money for you and has ability to approve or disapprove what you spend it on.  Which is dumb

 

 

Except you are ignoring this part:  "Against the expenses incurred by the club in relation to the costs of an existing or new Designated Player..."

 

Obviously, we would want xfer fees to be used to sign DP's, but that would only matter at other clubs.    Its all the same for us, whether they call the money an xfer fee or they just give us the cash in our budget.


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The xfer fee is almost meaningless.  It's left pocket/right pocket.  Paying yourself cheaply for players just helps with FFP rules. Whatever budget they have for us is what it is.   

also, if there were higher offers for Tyler, MLS would have to at least consider them.

None were reported at the time or have been since. The fee, of course, seems low to us, but no one else offered more than RB.

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The idea that we're a farm team is coming entirely from Adam's $3M fee, which many thought was too low. I still think they're being overly dismissive of the sell-on fee... I don't think many people will complain about the deal if we get 33% of his next eight-figure transfer. 


We might make a big chunk of sell on money but IMO thats a terrible business practice because projecting the health and growth of players is a total crap shoot.

In Adams situation in particular I am very VERY concerned about his future health.

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I fucking wish we were a club that exists to sell players. That's what RB Salzburg is.



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Even Leipzig appears to be a club to sell players.
If RBHQ looks at RBNY at all, what does it see?
A club that has won its league 3x in 7 years?
A club that has produced a player for Leipzig?
And a coach for Salzburg?
Does this satisfy its expectations?
How many years of 6th place finishes & no pipeline production will be needed for a change to occur?

We are good enough to beat the best teams, and bad enough to lose to the worst teams. 


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Even Leipzig appears to be a club to sell players.
If RBHQ looks at RBNY at all, what does it see?
A club that has won its league 3x in 7 years?
A club that has produced a player for Leipzig?
And a coach for Salzburg?
Does this satisfy its expectations?
How many years of 6th place finishes & no pipeline production will be needed for a change to occur?


Wish I could cut & paste this to the Ideas & Goals thread

We are good enough to beat the best teams, and bad enough to lose to the worst teams. 





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