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In Topic: All coronavirus-related arguing

16 March 2020 - 11:14 AM

I'm not, it's just annoying when people spout off xenophobic and ill-informed shit. Here's a topical article.


In Topic: All coronavirus-related arguing

13 March 2020 - 12:32 PM

Sorry Jake, I default to giving people respect, and wanting to understand them better. I didn't realize the feeling wasn't mutual. Instead of assuming best intent I now understand you just want to make statements on here without being challenged or engaging in actual discussion. Good to know who's a waste of my time. 


Also fuck you with your anchors babies comment. 

In Topic: All coronavirus-related arguing

13 March 2020 - 09:26 AM


I am not trying to convince you of anything. Your USA-awful, Socialized Health-good mindset appears set in stone.


You accusing me of having my opinions set in stone is once again a projection on your part, not reflecting what I've said. 


I've only really asked you about your views and then pointed out shortcomings in our system, and how I have the apparently illogical view that access to healthcare and health insurance are related issues. I didn't say all socialized healthcare systems or perfect or that ours fails in every metric. I'm open to a dialogue. I've actually read and listened to reports on ways in which European countries with some privatization or a combined model of healthcare still address some problems better than the United States, and although I do believe that the best path forward would be a nationalized healthcare system, I'm open to discussing ways to improve our current system.


This article summarizes alternatives including single-payer, but also other models. It factually points out we spend a higher percentage of GDP than any other comparable country on healthcare:



This while simultaneously having worse outcomes in a number of metrics:



If you think our system as it currently stands is perfect and doesn't warrant scrutiny, I think at that point you're just being intellectually dishonest given the data available. 

In Topic: All coronavirus-related arguing

12 March 2020 - 03:04 PM

And when they get serious illness......theyre always rushing to those counties to try and access their healthcare.



Literally though.

In Topic: All coronavirus-related arguing

12 March 2020 - 02:45 PM

You just do not want to understand.
1. The USA has excellent health care.
2. Not everyone has health insurance.
3. Anyone who walks into an ER must be treated.
4. You cannot be asked for insurance info first.
5. Even illegal aliens get treated.

Not all medical conditions are emergencies, and even if the ER can't ask you about payment information up front, that doesn't mean you won't be hit with a bill. Emergency rooms are for emergencies, not all facets of healthcare. There are literally millions of Americans who forego medical care that could help prevent much larger issues down the road because they don't have the financial means or insurance to cover it. 


Additionally, if you're actually trying to convince me of your view or trying to find common ground, assuming my intent isn't a very good way to do so.




Just to give some context, this seemed like a good summary of issues with cost and insurance, which included the following point:


  • Health care costs stop people from getting needed care or filling prescriptions. Half of U.S. adults say they or a family member put off or skipped some sort of health care or dental care or relied on an alternative treatment in the past year because of the cost, and about one in eight say their medical condition got worse as a result. Three in ten of all adults (29 percent) also report not taking their medicines as prescribed at some point in the past year because of the cost.