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We dominated Minnesota

RB had more shots & SOGs, but Minn had (437-391) & completed (310-285) more passes.

had the edge in the slopfest vs Columbus

Cbus had (472-364) & completed (373-262) more passes, actually completed more than we attempted.

matched New England on their turf

NE dominated passes 517-266, completed 418-165.

had a significant edge against Montreal

MON edged us 402-393 & 302-291.

We have not played a single game in which the opposing team carried play for the majority of the game.


I refer you to my previous answers. Plus:
Toronto 643-308 & 521-191
San Jose 562-258 & 450-145
Pretty much the exact opposite of your assessment.

We are good enough to beat the best teams, and bad enough to lose to the worst teams. 


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RB had more shots & SOGs, but Minn had (437-391) & completed (310-285) more passes.
Cbus had (472-364) & completed (373-262) more passes, actually completed more than we attempted.
NE dominated passes 517-266, completed 418-165.
MON edged us 402-393 & 302-291.

I refer you to my previous answers. Plus:
Toronto 643-308 & 521-191
San Jose 562-258


I dont think possession is a good indicator if we dominated or not.

A better indicator would be the location of the possession, turnovers and shots. If rbny has the ball played on the opposing side of the field then the tactics are working. Causing more turnovers on this side of the field would then lead to more shots.

Did this happened? I am not sure. I just like to talk :-D

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RB had more shots & SOGs, but Minn had (437-391) & completed (310-285) more passes.
Cbus had (472-364) & completed (373-262) more passes, actually completed more than we attempted.
NE dominated passes 517-266, completed 418-165.
MON edged us 402-393 & 302-291.

I refer you to my previous answers. Plus:
Toronto 643-308 & 521-191
San Jose 562-258 & 450-145
Pretty much the exact opposite of your assessment.

Lmao what the fuck does that matter? We play direct. Long and Nealis exchanging the ball 40 times wouldn't mean we're playing "well." Stringing together a bunch of passes would be cause for Struber to scream at the team. 

 

this is about as relelvant as analyzing a baseball game based on how many times each team swung the bat. It says nothing.



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I dont think possession is a good indicator if we dominated or not.


It is certainly one indicator. Like any sport, there are no style points, & our first two road wins suggested that we could convert rare chances into goals.
Since then, not so much.

better indicator would be the location of possession

Agreed. Have you noticed that many of our completed passes are between the back line and the keeper?
Perhaps someone can find & link stats for our possession in the attacking third.

I am not sure. I just like to talk :-D


At least you are not babbling, like some here.

We are good enough to beat the best teams, and bad enough to lose to the worst teams. 


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what the fuck does that matter?

It matters a lot more than your pointless rantings.

We play direct.

And ineffectively, rarely scoring more than once.

Long and Nealis exchanging the ball 40 times wouldn't mean we're playing "well."

Something we all can agree on. However, the inability of our midfield & forwards to connect means a lot.

Stringing together a bunch of passes

Like the good teams.

this is about as relelvant as analyzing a baseball game based on how many times each team swung the bat.


It is more like comparing hits and runs scored.

We are good enough to beat the best teams, and bad enough to lose to the worst teams. 


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It matters a lot more than your pointless rantings.
And ineffectively, rarely scoring more than once.
Something we all can agree on. However, the inability of our midfield & forwards to connect means a lot.
Like the good teams.

It is more like comparing hits and runs scored.

There is not a single professional team in the world that would value "passes" over expected goals. I have spoken to people in these front offices. You're extremely out of your depth here.

 

in 2018, when we LITERALLY set the MLS Points record and made it to the Eastern Conference final, we ranked DEAD LAST IN ALL OF MLS by passes completed. We did rank 3rd in expected goals for and 5tth in expected goals against. See it for yourself.



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no team would value "passes" over expected goals.

Every team wants to control the game.

I have spoken to people in these front offices. You're extremely out of your depth here.


I don't know or care who you speak with.
You are talking out of your ass.

We are good enough to beat the best teams, and bad enough to lose to the worst teams. 


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Every team wants to control the game.

I dont know or care who you speak with.
You are talking out of your ass.

go read my edit. I await your analysis for how that's actually wrong. "Passing" does not equal controlling the game. 

 

San Jose is 4th in MLS by passes completed this season while the Union are last. i'm sure the undefeated Union are jealous of how much winless San Jose are "controlling the game."



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Every team wants to control the game.

With possession and/or higher number of passes? I dont know if thats true.

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With possession and/or higher number of passes?


The MLS possession stat is calculated from passes.
So, it is the same thing. Not time of possession.

We are good enough to beat the best teams, and bad enough to lose to the worst teams. 


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The whole RBNY ethos is that they don't want to win the passing game, regardless how you measure it. It's beyond obvious.


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The MLS possession stat is calculated from passes.
So, it is the same thing. Not time of possession.

Either way, I dont think you need possession to control a game, especially if youre a counter attacking or high press team.

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With possession and/or higher number of passes?


MLS measures possession % from total passes,
not from time of possession.
MLS reports percentage of completed passes,
but does not compare between the teams.
I would not claim that a team completing 150 passes
played even with one that completed 450.

We are good enough to beat the best teams, and bad enough to lose to the worst teams. 


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MLS measures possession % from total passes,
not from time of possession.
MLS reports percentage of completed passes,
but does not compare between the teams.
I would not claim that a team completing 150 passes
played even with one that completed 450.

hey just wanted to check in again and see your thoughts on RBNY being dead last in completed passes in 2018 and the Union being dead last so far this season.



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I dont think you need possession to control a game, especially if youre a counter attacking or high press team.


I dont think that counter-attacking or high pressing is controlling a game.

We are good enough to beat the best teams, and bad enough to lose to the worst teams. 





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