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No idea, I definitely hope the FO is. Just commenting on the reactions - judging by the past few posts, people are skeptical of Meram to the point of dismissing signing him. It's of course fine being skeptical, questioning his poor season in Orlando so far, wondering if he'll fit etc, but I think he's definitely worth considering at least.

 

I'd much rather RB sign him rather than sign nobody and hope Muyl/Ivan come through in the playoffs for us.

That lineup against NE says that there are other options than just those two scenarios.  I like having Rza, Adams, Davis and Kaku on the field together.


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Even if its not Meram, I'm sure Armas would like to have a more traditional winger at his disposal. Those four guys are fun to watch together, but they're definitely not traditional wingers, Adams spent as much time on the left side of the field as he did the right against NE. 

He wasn't doing it because he was lost out there.  I like those types of things.  Guys who remain static are very easy to defend.  It's actually one of Muyl's best traits is that he drifts around.  Tyler can afford to do it more than anyone because he has more speed and more of an engine to get back to where he needs to be defensively. 

 

Rza, Davis, and Adams should all be on the field at the same time and I'm kind of against anything that takes one of them off.  

 

Sign me up for us involving that Ivan kid, and calling up Moreno.  

 

If we are going to add someone from outside, the only position we truly need it is RB if Murillo gets sold.  Maybe could be convinced of adding a striker type of rental to play behind BWP. Even that is a delicate situation because Etienne already probably feels like he's getting the shaft.



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He wasn't doing it because he was lost out there.  I like those types of things.  Guys who remain static are very easy to defend.  It's actually one of Muyl's best traits is that he drifts around.  Tyler can afford to do it more than anyone because he has more speed and more of an engine to get back to where he needs to be defensively. 

 

Rza, Davis, and Adams should all be on the field at the same time and I'm kind of against anything that takes one of them off.  

 

Sign me up for us involving that Ivan kid, and calling up Moreno.  

 

If we are going to add someone from outside, the only position we truly need it is RB if Murillo gets sold.  Maybe could be convinced of adding a striker type of rental to play behind BWP. Even that is a delicate situation because Etienne already probably feels like he's getting the shaft.

Etienne is giving himself the shaft by not finishing more of his opportunities. The feelings the coaches need to care the most about is that of the fans. Their job is to put the best 11 on the field they can. 



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He wasn't doing it because he was lost out there.  I like those types of things.  Guys who remain static are very easy to defend.  It's actually one of Muyl's best traits is that he drifts around.  Tyler can afford to do it more than anyone because he has more speed and more of an engine to get back to where he needs to be defensively. 

 

 

Didn't say he was, for sure some games letting Adams off the leash and telling him to just chase the ball sounds great. But every game? What if we come up against a team like KC that can switch fields and attack in numbers way better than NE? Adams has the best motor on this team, possibly in MLS, but he can't teleport 50 yards to help Murillo or Lade defend a 3v1. Both Rza's old coach and Marsch have said that he's not as comfortable outside as well.

 

Maybe Ivan can be an upgrade over Muyl, but seems to me like there should be some room in the cap/budget to sign someone with real pedigree.



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Didn't say he was, for sure some games letting Adams off the leash and telling him to just chase the ball sounds great. But every game? What if we come up against a team like KC that can switch fields and attack in numbers way better than NE? Adams has the best motor on this team, possibly in MLS, but he can't teleport 50 yards to help Murillo or Lade defend a 3v1. Both Rza's old coach and Marsch have said that he's not as comfortable outside as well.

 

Maybe Ivan can be an upgrade over Muyl, but seems to me like there should be some room in the cap/budget to sign someone with real pedigree.

Agree on Rza not being used outside.  It's clear the more you watch him that he's a middle of the field player.  I don't know why you'd ever want to get him away from the middle of the field even with our needs.

 

Adams did a nice job.  Obviously there's a balance to be found but that comes in time.  I love him in that position because it allows him to show his mobility more.  When he plays as the 6 for us, he's generally just a good player.  Especially in this league where teams aren't as driven to play the ball on the floor as much.  Up the field on the edge though where no player he'll ever face can match up athletically, he can take over.  New England was just a bad example because they just thumped the ball forward and any press up top was useless.  

 

My only significant worry is that Rza seems to be a bit brittle.  Have to wonder if playing last game, then on Weds, and again on Saturday will result in him getting banged up.



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Moreno definitely deserves to see some minutes on the wing soon.

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Even if its not Meram, I'm sure Armas would like to have a more traditional winger at his disposal. Those four guys are fun to watch together, but they're definitely not traditional wingers, Adams spent as much time on the left side of the field as he did the right against NE. 

It took a while (that is, a very sloppy first half) for everyone to get on the same page, but Adams has proven he can play out wide very well.    Its not some Osorio-type positional nonsense, and having any of those guys (+Kaku)  spending any more time on the bench then necessary is a waste we can't afford.


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It took a while (that is, a very sloppy first half) for everyone to get on the same page, but Adams has proven he can play out wide very well.    Its not some Osorio-type positional nonsense, and having any of those guys (+Kaku)  spending any more time on the bench then necessary is a waste we can't afford.

Yea, it not optimal use of Adams, but playing him in the wing gets all our best players on the pitch at the same time. RZA had similar issues encroaching into Kakus space when he played on the wing, so I like giving Adams some time there and see how it plays out.

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Yea, it not optimal use of Adams, but playing him in the wing gets all our best players on the pitch at the same time. RZA had similar issues encroaching into Kakus space when he played on the wing, so I like giving Adams some time there and see how it plays out.

This is a good point. It may not be Adams' best position, but if the team is at most optimal situation with him out there, so be it.

 

Another attacker would be nice. A goal scorer to provide any cover for BWP is critical.


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That lineup against NE says that there are other options than just those two scenarios.  I like having Rza, Adams, Davis and Kaku on the field together.

Liked that lineup as well. As you said, it wasn't amazing from the start, but it takes time and they got better as the game went along, and I'm sure we'll see more of it for the remainder of the season. 

 

An additional game changer allowing us to use true positional specialists at their best position of strength, and/or depth in case of suspension/injury would still be nice. Even if we stick with this lineup (not a guarantee), our offensive game changers are Muyl and a seriously misfiring Etienne.

 

Would be a nice luxury to be able to have someone better than that, or Davis come off the bench with Rza/Tyler staying centrally, or keep Kaku/Royer fresh during the run-in (we have a stretch of 5 games in 14 days at the end of August through Sept 1). If we still have allocation money, this is the window to use some or all of it to get us over the top. Saving and building for the future is great and I hope the guys we have can get us there, but this is probably the best win-now team we've ever had and BWP's window is not going to be open forever.



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I like having Rza, Adams, Davis and Kaku on the field together.

 

 

5-2-3 / 5-4-1 / 3-4-3

 

------------------------BWP

-------------Kaku----------------Rza

------------------Tyler----Davis

--Taxi---Long------?????----Parker-Murillo

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Royer Muyl Beze Etienne as bench options.


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5-2-3 / 5-4-1 / 3-4-3

 

------------------------BWP

-------------Kaku----------------Rza

------------------Tyler----Davis

--Taxi---Long------?????----Parker-Murillo

-----------------------Robles 

 

Royer Muyl Beze Etienne as bench options.

If we're going to have Rza on the wing (even tucking in), I would rather have Royer on in our standard formation playing over CB3. Even more so because CB3 is currently Collin and I don't trust him out there for 90 minutes. 



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If we're going to have Rza on the wing (even tucking in), I'd would rather have Royer on in our standard formation playing over CB3. Even more so because CB3 is currently Collin and I don't trust him out there for 90 minutes. 


Same. The dropoff from Parker/Long to the third CB is so big that it makes a back 3/5 unusable for us.

If Kutler or Lade can demonstrate that they're capable of starting and performing well in the RWB role, then you could slide Murillo over to RCB, but that feels like a waste of his abilities.

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There have been some pundits who have made the case for Adams to be a right back in the long term, specially if considered for the USMNT and the glut of players for the center of the park. If we were to lose Murillo this trading window, he could be an option, since he had a a run of games for us last year



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What's the long term glut at CM? Mckennie and?? I think Adams is our brightest prospect there - if anyone is going to change positions it should be someone lower in the pecking order




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