Question: For those who want Ron Paul, if he loses the primaries what will you do on election day? 3rd party? Obama? Not vote? just curious.
3rd party for sure.
Question: For those who want Ron Paul, if he loses the primaries what will you do on election day? 3rd party? Obama? Not vote? just curious.
3rd party for sure.
Yeah good luck with that
.....while providing cost-effective universal coverage for essential services (not every good and service) paid for by the people.
Of course, you could make the case that the government doesn't always seem to represent the people, which is another issue. Right now, because of our failed campaign finance laws, a small number of corporations and super-wealthy private citizens have undue influence over public policy. Organizations like Occupy Wall Street exist as an effort to restore government by putting it back in the hands of ordinary citizens of the USA by encouraging government regulation of unscrupulous corporations and encouraging serious campaign finance reform.
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So you mean an extremly biased article?
So how many years will it be o.k. to "blame Bush"? When does is it officially become Obama's economy?
ok, so i finally get to post on here from my computer and not my iphone, so i can elaborate a little more on what i say.
I do consider myself to be a little more socialist than most of you think...sometimes I play the devils advocate, or get people to explain what they mean just to make sure they're not posting from their ass.
I'm a Ron Paul supporter, I will agree with anyone that makes sense, and he makes the most out all of the potential candidates. I could care less if the issues are left or right, but if the plan as a whole makes sense, that works for me.
Now, I do believe in things such as "National Health Care". I believe we should all have it.
My problem is this: I don't agree with how the left goes about it, and in no way would I ever vote for them even though their ultimate goal is my goal. It's been achieved by different means.
National Healthcare: I believe that a 10% Value Added Tax (VAT) should be added to all things. With a 20% VAT added to fast food, tobacco (not alcohol lol), but not added to basic food items such as bread milk and eggs, baby food/formula/products (diapers) and flour. This way no one can complain about "paying for those that don't pay taxes and illegals". Because under this plan, EVERYBODY pays: employed, unemployed (we know they still spend money), legal, illegal. Everybody pays.
Income Tax: I don't believe anybody should be paying income tax. Rich or poor. What they should do, regardless of the item, add a 15% VAT to everything. However, sales tax should be eliminated. This doesn't target any class of people either. Just because you're rich, doesn't mean you have to spend like a drunken sailor, and just because your poor, doesn't mean you have to spend every last penny. In fact, this idea promotes saving money. The biggest problem we have in America is that 49% of the population currently don't pay taxes.
Between the Healthcare VAT and Tax VAT you pay a total of 25% more. So for every $100 you spend, you have to spend $25 in tax (provided that $100 doesn't include milk, eggs, flour, baby food/formula/diapers or bread).
now THAT makes sense.
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US health care is already 16% of GNP, with >15% of the population not having coverage. Universal coverage could cost 20% of GNP. How do you fund that with a 10% VAT?National Healthcare: I believe that a 10% Value Added Tax (VAT) should be added to all things.
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I'm of the opinion people should be taxed on what they spend as opposed to what they earn.
I'm of the opinion people should be taxed on what they spend as opposed to what they earn.
US health care is already 16% of GNP, with >15% of the population not having coverage. Universal coverage could cost 20% of GNP. How do you fund that with a 10% VAT?
Yeah, problem with a tax only on what you spend is that it is highly favors rich people. Leaving the very poor out for a second, take two people, one earning $ 200,000, one earning $ 75,000. Both spend $70,000 a year, and pay a 20% VAT. Both pay the same $ 14,000 in taxes. But, the guy earning $ 200k has a tax rate of 7%, the guy earning $ 75k has a tax rate of 18.7%.
If anything you want a reverse of that scenario, because the guy at the bottom was doing what he could to stimulate the economy by spending almost all of the money he made, while the guy at the top was just banking that cash. Yes, that guy may turn around & invest it, but, he may not, you'd need a separate tax penalty system or investment incentive to try to guarantee that guy turns that extra cash into bonds or something that ensures it adds to the economy somehow.
I do think our tax system is inefficient & should be reformed. I don't pretend to have the answer. But, income tax has to be a portion of the solution, and it should be progressive (higher earnings, higher taxes) to avoid the above scenario.
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