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#1253580 #RedBullOut

Posted by RedBullOut on 30 April 2015 - 01:43 PM

Discounting Cup Competition...Again #RedBullOut

 

http://redbullout.bl...itionagain.html

 

 

 
Red Bull has consistently placed higher priority on faux-prestigous cash grab friendlies than on winning the meaningful and historic Open Cup trophy (which also comes with CONCACAF Champions League qualification).  They have sacrificed their participation and success in the competition in order to risk injury to key players in what are essentially pre-season warm up matches for European clubs.  This practice led to a protest by Red Bull’s own South Ward, which was covered extensively by media outlets in the region.
 
The fact that ownership either didn’t know, or didn’t care about the Open Cup scheduling conflict is completely and totally inexcusable and cuts directly to the heart of why #RedBullOut exists.  This one decision is a microcosm of the motivations behind #RedBullOut.
 
 
  • Brand outreach superseding sporting goals: Ownership obviously believes its more important to get the cheap pop of a high profile but ultimately meaningless friendly rather than concern themselves with the genuinely important Open Cup quarterfinal. Coach Marsch promised fans that he would take the Open Cup seriously; clearly he was overruled.
 
  • A tone-deaf approach to management with no regard for how fans might react to major moves: The South Ward previously protested against Red Bull’s disdain for the Open Cup, this decision is a clear indication that these protests fell on deaf ears.  Or, given the endless turnover in the front office, perhaps the current batch of suits weren’t even aware it happened.
 
  • A lack of institutional memory, resulting in the same mistakes repeated endlessly:  Self-explanatory.  The club is again making the mistake of prioritizing a friendly over a legitimate cup competition.

 
 
As far as rescheduling the match goes?  It would be much more difficult than simply moving the date.  The schedule around the 7/21 and 7/22 date is as follows:
 
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The schedule of New York’s potential opponent would further complicate the situation. Those who point out that the club could lose in the fourth round of the open cup—resolving the scheduling conflict—are missing the point entirely.  The club should be preparing as if it's playing these Open Cup games and taking the opportunity to win a cup competition while gaining entry to the champions league. The head coach told the fans it is a priority to win these games.  Why on earth are the soda hawkers able to overrule the team’s manager?  When you look at the club’s owner, the answer is simple:
 
“His first thing is the brand, Red Bull” – F. Beckenbauer on Dietrich Mateschitz



#1253308 It's happening again: Chelsea date in direct conflict with Open Cup quart...

Posted by RedBullOut on 28 April 2015 - 09:21 PM

Either the club is completely ignorant of the current Open Cup dates, is planning on tanking the competition, or simply doesn't care.  I doubt this ownership would be willing to play a full team of reserves in a high profile match vs. Chelsea.   Even so, with a roster that will already be stretched thin, how would we have the ability to play back to back dates?  Or worse, if we draw an away match on the same date as Chelsea?

 

We covered this topic in an earlier post about how this ownership has a history of prioritizing cash-grab friendlies over legitimate Cup competition.  This is in direct conflict with Jesse Marsch's comments about valuing and prioritizing the Open Cup competition  as well.

 

Discounting Cup Competition:

 

http://redbullout.bl...ompetition.html




#1253306 It's happening again: Chelsea date in direct conflict with Open Cup quart...

Posted by RedBullOut on 28 April 2015 - 09:10 PM

Once again, it appears as if the NY Front Office and Red Bull ownership is prioritizing a useless cash-grab friendly over the US Open Cup.  Per the US Soccer Open Cup official webpage, the Open Cup  quarter-finals will be taking place on July 21-22, 2015.  The 22nd is in direct conflict with the Chelsea match, which was just announced today.

 

http://www.ussoccer....2015-usoc#tab-4

 

We're working on a post that will be out tomorrow morning (this is why we haven't had the attendance update today).  At the moment however, unless the club plans on trotting out the entire second team (which would likely be illegal since NYRB II are eligible for this competition and therefore many fo the players would be cuptied) for one of these matches, there's a clear conflict in the schedule.  At best, this club is playing back to back dates in July.

 

This will also be in direct conflict with the latter stages of the Gold Cup, when the roster will be stretched even thinner than it already appears.




#1252164 #RedBullOut

Posted by RedBullOut on 17 April 2015 - 12:21 PM

Advertising the Advertisement: #RedBullOut

 

http://redbullout.bl...redbullout.html

 

 

This begs the question:  If Red Bull is willing to advertise in NYC, why not the soccer club?  

 

The answer is relatively simple: Red Bull New York is an advertisement in itself. Therefore Red Bull North America allocates a very small budget for advertising the team, since they view the team itself as an advertisement for the drink.  Rather than being treated as a normal soccer team, the club is a means to advertise a lifestyle brand based on a soda.  Social media marketing is cheap…much cheaper than allocating the necessary resources to actually grab attention with marketing in and around the city. 


Then again, very few believe Red Bull understands what it means to truly represents this city anyway.



#1252146 #RedBullOut

Posted by RedBullOut on 17 April 2015 - 09:57 AM

In lieu of purchasing a ticket to tonights SJ match, ex-ST holders behind @RedBullOut will make an equivalent donation to @autismspeaks  We encourage all others boycotting games to do the same #AustismAwareness #RedBullOut




#1251102 #RedBullOut

Posted by RedBullOut on 02 April 2015 - 12:12 PM

Not really - it only shows the tix released to ticketmaster.  I noticed that it looked like more tickets were being released over time, because the seating chart actually looked less and less full as we got closer to the game.

You would be correct about this.  We covered it our piece.

 

Those extra seats showing up were either blocked for late renewals (which they obviously did not get), reserved for new partial or ST plan purchases, or otherwise given back by charity/corporate partners.  

 

One other thing we have found very interesting is how whole blocks of seats have been reserved and sold on stub-hub, mostly in the upper levels.  We've heard of teams "selling" seats directly through stub hub to increase the amount of money they control from the secondary ticket market.  We may be seeing this in practice here as well (though we can't confirm that at the moment).




#1251100 #RedBullOut

Posted by RedBullOut on 02 April 2015 - 12:06 PM

ONe good thing with Ticketmaster handling the ticket selling is that we get the actual seat chart so there's no more attendance experts around here claiming that there's only 8,000 sold tickets.  Now we have a much better idea of how many seats are being sold.

Believe it or not, we didn't get this information totally from ticketmaster.  We had to check multiple sources in different areas to make sure the number sold was correct.  What we thought was interesting was that of the reported 21,806, over 25% of it was given away for free against the largest rival the team has for a home opener.  Also, a sizable chunk of those seats were sold at a discounted rate via LivingSocial.   That game (in theory) should not need the efforts of LivingSocial or giving away so many free tickets to have a strong attendance.  We believe they went to these levels to try and show the public that "all is well".

 

We would not be surprised to see an outright denial of these practices from the club either if this gains some traction.




#1251091 #RedBullOut

Posted by RedBullOut on 02 April 2015 - 10:23 AM

The Return of the 'Chris Heck Sellout'?  #RedBullOut

 

http://redbullout.bl...ck-sellout.html

 

 

 
The methodology behind releasing these mostly upbeat numbers was clear as day…the current managing regime would use these massaged numbers to justify the actions they had taken this past off-season including the lack of marketing, dismissal of Petke and slashed roster expenses.  This would be an affirmation that the fans were still behind them and the club would proceed under the facade of having no negative issues stemming from their tone-deaf decision making and lack of marketing.  Unfortunately, the devil is in the details.
 
For fans of the team who have been around since 2011, Chris Heck was an executive long noted for his ability to announce a ‘sell-out’ while in-stadium attendance had trouble breaking 20,000.  In fact, the ‘Chris Heck Sellout’ became a running joke among a large segment of the fan base as it became clear that these tickets were almost certainly not sold (where they were distributed, we may never know).  Since Red Bull depends heavily on game-day revenue and ticket sales to run the club, the actual revenue earned from actual ticket-sales and the amount of people in the stadium is a better metric for determining whether the regime is successful.  
 

A clearly inflated crowd of 21,806 was announced for the game against DC.   We wondered how many of these tickets were actually sold, and how many were distributed.



#1249720 #RedBullOut

Posted by RedBullOut on 22 March 2015 - 09:17 AM

4 empties from our end.  Two inside to help us make a few statements.


You'll see us around town today and at the bars with RBO flyers.  More grassroots marketing than the team does.  #RedBullOut  


#1249612 #RedBullOut

Posted by RedBullOut on 21 March 2015 - 10:07 AM

We spoke with every SG, but in the end it is their own call how they run their groups.  We're gonna keep on doing our thing and will have our own statement inside.

We'll see a few of you at the bars on Sunday and around town.  RBO is gonna continue to grow.  Particularly when the 300 page plan fails.

Our group has agreed to cancel all ST renewals, continue to not purchase any RB merch, keep up public pressure and not purchase any seats this year. Most of this group is not using the seats they paid for this year either


#1249423 #RedBullOut

Posted by RedBullOut on 19 March 2015 - 08:03 PM

Our own Matt Rappo will be on Soccer Morning tomorrow with Jason Davis.


#1249278 #RedBullOut

Posted by RedBullOut on 18 March 2015 - 05:40 PM

If you would like to be a contributor to the "In Our Own Words" series.  Please send us an e-mail at redbullout@yahoo.com.   Old fan or new, it doesn't matter.  We're all in this together and we all deserve to have our voices heard.  This club is nothing without its fans. 




#1249277 #RedBullOut

Posted by RedBullOut on 18 March 2015 - 05:38 PM

Thanks go to ElTriMetro for the latest post on the website.  

 

"In Our Own Words" will be a running feature on this website through the course of the 2015 season.  These are first hand stories and accounts of people who have been fans of this team, but now firmly believe in the #RedBullOut cause.  This is a movement inspired by fans, and we want to provide these fans the opportunity to express themselves freely. 

Anthony Herrejon, a lifelong fan of this club, is the first to tell us his story.

 

http://redbullout.bl...-i-support.html




#1248459 What are there more fans of "Red Bull" or "Metro"

Posted by RedBullOut on 13 March 2015 - 06:23 AM

It's not as much of a Red Bull vs. Metro thing at this stage as it is a Red Bull not knowing what they're doing, using our team to push their soda, fire the best coach/gm combo in club history, ignore any sort of marketing whatsoever, and go cheap on the roster thing.




#1248359 #RedBullOut

Posted by RedBullOut on 12 March 2015 - 01:30 PM

We changed things up a bit with this post.  Dave B. (matador on these boards) took a trip to an RB Leipzig game with Union Berlin fans.   He was kind enough to provide a write up of his experience there.   Some very interesting stuff on the history of how RB got a team in Leipzig (fan resistance killed their first attempt) and how the locals treat the 2. Bundesliga's most expensive club.

 

http://t.co/ZPnRhTaYgN