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#151 Lsanchez06

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Posted 28 June 2011 - 01:01 AM

That fool drinks too much.


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Posted 28 June 2011 - 01:19 AM

here is what I sent:

Dear Mr. Gulati,

Firstly, thank you for your time at the US soccer federation. Admittedly, although I do not like how things are at the moment, I appreciate the work you have done over the years to get the organization where it is now.

However, I feel that with the coaching staff the way it is, there is no way for the team to succeed. I do not need to list the embarrassing losses in big situations, although the confederations cup loss in 2009 stands out in my mind as the biggest failure to date. Tactical mistakes lost that game, not the technical skills of the opponent.

I believe it is in the best interest of the team, and growth of US Soccer as a whole, if the team had a new coaching staff. I hope this is not a new idea, because I have seen the need for this for years now, and I hope you can swallow your pride for the well-being of the club. I understand that you just signed him on for another four years, but I think it is evident that that was a mistake and that for the future of US soccer, you know what you should do.

On another note, I feel that allowing Mexico to host friendlies in the US builds the Mexican fan-base in the US, leading to crowds that are how they were on Saturday. In my section at the game on Saturday, I was the one of the few US soccer fans within my section. I understand that Mexican fans have deep roots, but I feel that allowing Mexican friendlies in the US only builds this pro-Mexican culture.

With all of that being said, I will not pay another dollar toward anything US soccer related until Bob Bradley is let go, and I will ask my friends to do the same.

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Posted 28 June 2011 - 10:04 AM

I thought about the assasination route, but I'll probably just compose an email and jump on the "No money towards anything US Soccer related" train until there is a coaching change....

I already throw enough money away on Galaxy related stuff as it is now...

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Posted 28 June 2011 - 03:58 PM

That fool drinks too much.

setting polical correctness aside . . . what is incorrect about what eric said? mind you, like many of us he does indeed drink too much (myself included).

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Posted 28 June 2011 - 05:09 PM

setting polical correctness aside . . . what is incorrect about what eric said? mind you, like many of us he does indeed drink too much (myself included).

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Eric is lumping all of the fans together, while in reality, only a small portion are the unruly idiots. By his statement, he is lumping Caasi, Esco and Ramses along with any other Mexico fans and saying they have no class. Sure that may be true of Esco (:cheers:), but you shouldn't cast aspersions on Caasi and Ramses. Such blanket statements really doesn't say much about the speaker.

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Posted 28 June 2011 - 07:56 PM

Eric is lumping all of the fans together, while in reality, only a small portion are the unruly idiots. By his statement, he is lumping Caasi, Esco and Ramses along with any other Mexico fans and saying they have no class. Sure that may be true of Esco (:cheers:), but you shouldn't cast aspersions on Caasi and Ramses. Such blanket statements really doesn't say much about the speaker.

i see it more like this . . .

generally speaking i think it is a fair statement that a big percentage of the people in the rose bowl were nacos . . . the USMNT fans making lawn mower comments, the mexican fans booing the US national anthem, and pochos for being pochos (and supporting el tri) ;)

lol, sorry just had to fit in that last part (meaning that is a joke)

granted i wasn't at that game, but i don't think things change all that much. personally i hate going to mexico / USA games because i get so irritated at the disrespectful mexican fans who can thank the USA for allowing them to make a living and feed their kids, and seriously angry as hell at the USMNT fans making comments that offend my kids (meaning, the racist comments against all people of mexican hertiage).

for the record, i live in a bilingual household and my kids are very aware and proud of their heritage, both mine and their mother's. but there is not a point where there is a lack of clarity where they would ever dream of supporting anything except the red, white and blue. my kids were born here, and they are just as 100% american as me . . . meaning no hypen is needed.

regarding ANHB's comment, IMO generalizations are what they are . . . partiailly true and partially false. those who are garbage, know that they are (and take offense) . . . and those that aren't, know that they aren't (and just ignore what is said). when i am in mexico i constantly hear how americans are racist because they don't support open borders, etc. i don't support open borders and i know i am not racist . . . i just let the comment fly right over my head and i don't respond.

with my interactions with issac, i am very comfortable saying that when he hears crap about naco mexican fans . . . he knows they are not talking about him because he is not a naco

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Posted 28 June 2011 - 08:53 PM

Eric is lumping all of the fans together, while in reality, only a small portion are the unruly idiots. By his statement, he is lumping Caasi, Esco and Ramses along with any other Mexico fans and saying they have no class. Sure that may be true of Esco (:cheers:), but you shouldn't cast aspersions on Caasi and Ramses. Such blanket statements really doesn't say much about the speaker.

A crowd is a crowd. When you have 1,000's of people booing another country's national anthem I don't think you can say it was a "small number of miscreants." As long as it is being booed so loud that you can't hear I think it's a fair statement to say that the crowd lacks class. As long as throwing bags of urine, bottles of beer, and batteries is tolerated the crowd can never be considered classy. Sorry. It isn't to say that Ramses, Esco and Caasi lack class. I may be biased as well as Wyno. I don't blame the guy, he was busy getting bottled and hit with other flying objects continually whenever he played Mexico. It is a long running and popular trend among El Tri fans. A 1/4 of the fans isn't a small portion. 1/5 isn't even small. No one can deny that a large number of Tri fans are idiots willing to do stupid shit. As long as it's tolerated and there isn't anything done to curb that kind of behavior I don't think there's any possible way you can say that it's a classy crowd.

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Posted 28 June 2011 - 09:29 PM

Great game until boob bradley had to actually start managing. I'm tired of hearing about the douche santos goal. Clearly the people reporting don't know that this guy either rides the pine for his club or spends all his time on loan, because you'd swear they were describing Pele.

When it comes to mejijoke fans the mob rules. It's easier to be a mejijoke fan because of family influence, a friends influence and a bombardment of media attention and endoresements on T.V. every 5 seconds. Doesn't mean they know crap about the team or what a joke they are on the international stage. Sure, there's fans who know their stuff like some of our buddies on the squad, but most of the idiots I run into at Vallarta, work, Dick's Sporting Goods, Costco and any other random place don't know shit or make outrageous claims about mexican't soccer. I get stopped a lot, beause someone always has something to say when I wear my US gear....some of my favorites:

1.) Most don't know that mejijoke has never won a World Cup (I've had more than a few claim that they won in '86)

2.) They think that chingadito hernandez is the 1st mexican't in England and that no Americans have ever played there.

3.) Chivas and America have both won the Copa Libertadores.

4.) Mejijoke has won multiple Copa America tournaments...(With Luis Hernandez scoring the winning goal in one...WTF?)

5.) The United States has never beat mejijoke in the World Cup...

The mob rules no matter what. To say most mejijoke fans have no class would be inaccurate, but you can say that the majority are on crack when it comes to their football reasons for supporting...

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Posted 28 June 2011 - 10:35 PM

Herb,

I feel comfortable saying that you're a hater AND that you're spot on in most of the things you're saying.

On that note, Giovanni's pine riding has less to do with his talent and more to do with his drinking (his brother is evidently an idiot, too!)

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Posted 28 June 2011 - 11:37 PM

So this was my sixth US v. Mexico match and I will say I always listen for the boos in during the national anthem and in my section I heard none. I'm not saying in the past I didn't hear them (Houston & Glendale) but not this time. The Mexican fans were pretty good this time, mostly because they were winning I'd be willing to guess.

El Mon & I came up with something good this time "Fuck El Tri", because I love many things about mexico, but I hate your fucking team. I hope they all die of Botulism from food and have a painful case of herpes from the whores they hire at night because even though they are successful soccer players women still won't sleep with them unless they are paid.
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Posted 04 July 2011 - 02:32 PM

My email to Mr. Gulati:

Hi Mr. Gulati,

I write to express my great concern over US Soccer's direction and approach, particularly with regard to the US National team.

I have been involved in soccer at many levels as a player at Westmont College, a youth and high school coach for 27 years and an occasional journalist. One of the players from our high school program, Sean Franklin, currently plays for the Los Angeles Galaxy. Currently I am pursuing my doctorate in Learning and Mind Sciences at the UC Davis School of Education. To get my daily soccer fix, I frequent the LA Riot Squad discussion boards where I am known as Catamount.

I have lived US soccer in Southern California for more than a quarter century. When I graduated from college, professional soccer opportunities for American players were nearly non-existent. It has been a source of great encouragement for me to participate in the rise of the of soccer in the United States in recent years. However, I can not say the same for the progress of US Soccer as an organization and the US Men's National Team in particular.

An attempt to express all my concerns would require a full article, perhaps a white paper, maybe a book. Here I will focus on the relationships between the US Soccer Organization, youth development and the US National Team.

Five attempts at a professional US soccer league failed until the creation of MLS. To fill the void parents created a powerful and pervasive system of youth leagues. These leagues coalesced into the Coast Soccer League in Southern California. Gradually the parent-run soccer system became US Soccer. Out of this foundation Bora Mulitinovic and his team raised the profile of US Soccer (a lot can be said about the role of high school and college soccer here, but that is another topic).

The accomplishments of parent-inspired soccer should not be devalued or underestimated. However, the motivations and forces that created the system also brought fundamental problems that have become reified and institutionalized. These problems surfaced in recent years particularly in the 2006 World Cup, the 2009 Confederations Cup, the 2010 World Cup and the recent loss to Mexico in the 2011 Gold Cup. These results aren't aberrations, they are the result of systematic issues that must be addressed, or US Soccer or the Panama's and Guadeloupe's of the world will begin to beat the United States with more regularity, and Mexico will become dominant.

Issue #1: Youth Development

Parents either manage or coach the vast majority of players in the youth development system. Winning creates exposure, which generates opportunities for youngsters. The influence of parents is fundamental to everything about youth development in the United States. Parents care about winning primarily because of the opportunity it creates for their own child. This means that real development takes place for only one or two players on a team, the children of the coach and manager (who are often husband and wife). Other players used as tools to create the best opportunities for these favored children, whether this is intentional or not. Parents develop systems of play that feature certain players and are rigidly enforced for everyone else. Youngsters adapt and learn to do the best they can in this system.

Sean Franklin provides an interesting case study of this process. As a young player you could find Sean in the middle of the park, an expansive creative player who could find the ball and make creative things happen. His athleticism made him a threat on goal, explosive on the counter attack and able to beat other midfielders box to box all game long. He had 360 degree vision, excellent control of the ball at pace, great ability to read and win the ball, and exceptional range on his passing for a young player, all the qualities you want in a two-way central midfielder. We used him as a central player in high school which resulted in a quarterfinal run in the highly competitive large school Southern Section CIF championships. The team lost to the eventual champions.

During high school, Sean and his parents decided to move him to a club team in the San Fernando Valley to create more exposure and opportunities. Terry Avila, the coach at CSUN, was the coach of the club team. Like always the coach sought to fit Sean into an already existing team that needed a right back. Because of Sean's athleticism, power in the air and high work rate, Avila converted Sean to defense. Sean is an exceptional athlete and has a great soccer mind, so he was able to adapt to the new role. However, all those qualities that made him special have been suppressed. Occasionally you'll see them when he plays a brilliant splitting ball or rainbow's a defender, but for the most part he's become an athletic automaton that keeps his starting role because he's can run and because he has enough vision and skill to be better than your average professional right back.

It is interesting to note that Sean won Rookie of the Year in MLS as a central defender where his ability to read the game was in full display. Ruud Gullit had too many issues to be a successful MLS coach, but he was able to see beyond the surface athleticism to the special qualities Sean brought to the game. With the hiring of Bruce Arena, Sean himself now believes he's a right back.

Issue #2: US Men's National Team

The current US National Team setup reeks of the parent-run system. The coach decided four years ago that his son would be the featured player. I do not fault Bob Bradley or his son for this decision. They are the product of the system that produced them. There has been a four year search for the "right partner" for the featured player in the system. For one 45 minute period Jose Francisco Torres and Maurice Edu produced the best half of soccer by a central midfield paring in more than a decade in the lead-up to the 2010 World Cup. I honestly thought that this would put Torres and Edu in the starting lineup for WC 2010. I couldn't have been more wrong. The decision had already been made about one central player, any other possibility wasn't even considered.

This is parent-run soccer in a nutshell, systems of play created around 1-3 featured players. Throughout the system players are moved away from their natural positions. The most creative players quite often disappear because they aren't the oldest or most athletic, and they "try stuff" that causes their U12 or U14 team to lose. Now this approach has become entrenched in the US Men's National Team set up. Take a look at the video of the Gold Cup Final and both games against Panama. See how teams played through the US center, how many times US central midfielders were out of position, how often the central midfielders gave up possession, played negative or failed to combine. The US pool has combinations of central players who bring a much wider variety of qualities than the pair we see for the USMNT setup right now. See how Landon Donovan and Clint Dempsey (the US best players) are moved around, and used in roles that suppress their best qualities. See how they must step outside the system to become effective, yet one player always plays.

I have suffered through years and years of parent-run soccer. I know this phenomenon so well I have nightmares about it. I have spent countless hours trying to figure out how to bench the manager of the team's son or daughter without destroying the team. There are coaches in the system, such as Jason Kreis, Hyndman, Nicol, Kinnear and others that stand in opposition to the parent-run approach. Jurgen Klinsman is a possibility that brings a hybrid of German and American thinking. Guys like Hiddink, and even Mexican managers like Lavalope, would bring a set of principles the situation. Quite a few Scottish managers like Moise, Strachan, and even Alex Ferguson, are perhaps the most flexible and successful breed, that may reflect the American mentality quite closely.

Issue #3: US Soccer

I have done explain what I see. You and the US Soccer board are the only ones in a position to make the tough but necessary changes needed to allow US Soccer to emerge as it should. The current system has outlived its usefulness and needs to be revamped immediately, or another generation of creative, expressive young players will be eliminated from the system before they reach U14. It needs to start with the US National team and go from there. MLS and the academy system won't be ready to take over for quite some time. US Soccer needs to take the lead. Right now it is sitting on the sidelines letting the parents run the show.

Highest Regards,

Scot M. Sutherland

PhD. Student, Learning and Mind Sciences
UC Davis School of Education


Gulati's reply:

Dear Mr. Sutherland:

Thanks for your thoughts and your support of the USMNT. While I am not
going to discuss personnel issues in this forum, we'll keep trying to move
the program forward.

I would, however, point out that a number of things are being done regarding
player development so I must disagree with the 2nd part of your statement: .
"US Soccer needs to take the lead. Right now it is sitting on the sidelines
letting the parents run the show." My guess is that we would agree that the
landscape of youth soccer won't be changed overnight.

Enjoy the rest of the holiday weekend.

Sunil Gulati




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