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No doubt, thats why this is about who plays in Royer's spot, which i think needs to offer more wing-like play since Valot plays his side more like an attacking 2-way mid.
 
DE7 has 120 less minutes (and several less seasons) played than Muyl with 1 more point of production. And its an eye test thing. The offense flows and has ideas when Etienne is out there, less so when a fullback is up in attack. He needs a little more hunger for goals, but I think folks are being way too harsh on DE for his misses v Philly. Good things happen when he's out there. 

Id like to see it too, but Marsch seems reluctant to play Etienne as a winger. I get that he gives you a lot less defense than Muyl, but against teams that bunker who cares? Toronto probably wont bunker, so I get Marsch going to with Muyl this match.

What Id really like to see is Tyler at the 10, like in the second leg of the playoffs last season. TFC still runs through Bradley, and I like the idea of having Tyler there stopping their attack before it starts. Move Kaku to the wing and play RZA next to Davis. Muyl or Etienne first off the bench, depending on whether were trying to hold on to a lead or need a goal.

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big no to tyler at the 10.  if you're smart (read: anyone but NYCFC), you will not be building out of the back against our press.  if tyler is playing at the 10, more often than not teams will just play it over the top and avoid him altogether.  

 

if you're going to take Kaku out of the 10 spot, it should be Rza there instead - he has the ability to press effectively.  Tyler has the potential to be a game changing player when used correctly - in the heart of midfield...not as a #10, not as a right back, and not as a right mid. 



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big no to tyler at the 10.  if you're smart (read: anyone but NYCFC), you will not be building out of the back against our press.  if tyler is playing at the 10, more often than not teams will just play it over the top and avoid him altogether. 

How about we keep Tyler at the 10 as an option if theyre playing through Bradley a lot. Moving Tyler up the pitch turned the playoffs around last year... the turn was just too little, too late.

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How about we keep Tyler at the 10 as an option if theyre playing through Bradley a lot. Moving Tyler up the pitch turned the playoffs around last year... the turn was just too little, too late.

Tyler playing as a 10 in the playoffs was effective moreso because it allowed us to press higher up the field because Sacha couldn't do that job.  However, with Kaku, Davis, etc. the main 10s now on the team, we can still press higher up the field without compromising our D-mid situation.  For that reason I would prefer Tyler not as the 10.



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Tyler playing as a 10 in the playoffs was effective moreso because it allowed us to press higher up the field because Sacha couldn't do that job.  However, with Kaku, Davis, etc. the main 10s now on the team, we can still press higher up the field without compromising our D-mid situation.  For that reason I would prefer Tyler not as the 10.

I love Kaku and Davis, but Tyler presses at a whole other level. Everything TFC does goes through Bradley so shutting him down is key.

Starting Tyler at the 10, may not be necessary, because Kaku is not Sacha and may be effective against Bradley. If that isnt working though, Id like to see Marsch switch Adams there sooner rather than after TFC gets a goal. And, Kaku stays on the pitch a winger, where hes played before in Argentina.

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I'm sorry but number 10s role is strictly offensive and any defense is a plus and Tyler has not shown the offensive ability yet, he can press from his current position and kaku can keep doing what he has been great at from the 10 spot which is distributing the ball and pulling defenders away from BWP. Our system might be press first but we need to be able to do something positive with the ball once intercepted and Tyler is not good at that. He's good but not good enough to push kaku from his free roaming spot as a 10.

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I'm sorry but number 10s role is strictly offensive and any defense is a plus and Tyler has not shown the offensive ability yet, he can press from his current position and kaku can keep doing what he has been great at from the 10 spot which is distributing the ball and pulling defenders away from BWP. Our system might be press first but we need to be able to do something positive with the ball once intercepted and Tyler is not good at that. He's good but not good enough to push kaku from his free roaming spot as a 10.

Did anybody watch the playoffs last year? In the second match against TFC, Tyler played higher up the pitch, where the 10 normally plays, and the team was 10x more effective defensively AND offensively. This would be a one time move to combat the way TFC plays - through Bradley in a deep CM role. Marsch doesnt have to start this way, just have it ready in case TFC is controlling play.

Teams in Serie A would often put a player like Adams (more defensive than offensive) higher up the pitch to combat deep lying playmakers like Pirlo.

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I'm sorry but number 10s role is strictly offensive and any defense is a plus and Tyler has not shown the offensive ability yet, he can press from his current position and kaku can keep doing what he has been great at from the 10 spot which is distributing the ball and pulling defenders away from BWP. Our system might be press first but we need to be able to do something positive with the ball once intercepted and Tyler is not good at that. He's good but not good enough to push kaku from his free roaming spot as a 10.

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Yep.  That's why Sacha is no longer here.  



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Did anybody watch the playoffs last year? In the second match against TFC, Tyler played higher up the pitch, where the 10 normally plays, and the team was 10x more effective defensively AND offensively. This would be a one time move to combat the way TFC plays - through Bradley in a deep CM role. Marsch doesnt have to start this way, just have it ready in case TFC is controlling play.

Teams in Serie A would often put a player like Adams (more defensive than offensive) higher up the pitch to combat deep lying playmakers like Pirlo.

Not to mention that Adams HAS displayed decent offensive passing when playing higher up the pitch or on the wing. It's not like he's a pure destroyer and nothing more, he's just not being tasked with more than that when playing as a 6.

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but the formation in that TFC leg was 3-3-3-1. was it not? we don't run that as often, since we usually have Parker-Long as the lone CBs. 


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You can bring up playoffs all you want, took you a year to stop mentioning verons great playoff appearance, but we lost the game and the series by not scoring goals. So let's put our best ball distributor aside so we can press a team that is very comfortable with the press. Our playoff games are an indication of what not to do, not what to do based on results and complete and utter inability to score and change the game plan. Show me Adams' decent offensive play in any spot on the field, he can press from anywhere without affecting our only creative midfielder. But what do I know you are the experts, especially in bringing up awful playoff appearances as a symbol of success and what worked. Stick with what has worked all season, or let's do what Jesse loves to do and play players out of position in playoffs, good thing this game isn't playoffs so I'm confident adams plays where he has.

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Did anybody watch the playoffs last year?


No. No one did. 🙄

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You can bring up playoffs all you want, took you a year to stop mentioning verons great playoff appearance, but we lost the game and the series by not scoring goals. So let's put our best ball distributor aside so we can press a team that is very comfortable with the press.

We lost the series, but WON the game away at Toronto that Adams played at the 10. Your point about TFC being confortable against the press is spot on, thats why Marsch played Adams higher up, to make Bradley uncomfortable because most of what they do starts with him. I agree Kaku is most effective offensively when he plays central, but in Argentina he did play some on the wing, so he can do it.

Im just saying play the. Irma lineup, but be ready to switch things up if Bradley is controlling the game.

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No. No one did. 🙄

Im not sure the people that think its idiotic to play Adams at the 10 against this particular opponent did.




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