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2015 - 33 games, 30 starts, 9 goals, 7 assists

2016 - 32 games, 28 starts, 7 goals, 6 assists

Postseason totals - 6 games, 5 starts, 0 goals, 0 assists

 

He was a scorer of spectacular goals, but I'm not sure he was as productive as people want to think he was.  I'm not against him coming back, I just don't trust Marsch when Grella's an option.  Marsch, like he has with Muyl, has a comfortability with Grella and looks to play him over guys like Veron and Etienne even when his production has dropped to nothing.

 

You're underestimating how good those numbers are for an MLS winger. That's top ~5 in MLS both seasons, without taking penalties.

 

But I can't really see how its a good idea to reintegrate him back into the team leading up to or during the playoffs unless everyone ahead of him is hurt. He didn't look good his first few games back this year.



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You're underestimating how good those numbers are for an MLS winger. That's top ~5 in MLS both seasons, without taking penalties.
 
But I can't really see how its a good idea to reintegrate him back into the team leading up to or during the playoffs unless everyone ahead of him is hurt. He didn't look good his first few games back this year.

Come on man, those numbers don't even put him as the top winger on the Red Bull's in 2015 - Sam had 10 and 7.

In 2016 Tommy McNamara had 5 and 9. Is he a Top 7 winger in MLS?

Grella had very good numbers in 2015 and 2016. My problem is not with him, it's with Marsch's reliance on him. Mike was clearly was lost on the pitch in the Montreal leg of the 2016 playoffs and Marsch left him in way too long. And he played like shit just about every minute he played this season, yet Marsch still started him over Royer in the City Open Cup match. Luckily Armas was coaching that night and he pulled Mike at half for Royer, who got the goal.

Marsh gets this way with some guys. He's doing the same thing with Muyl now. Etienne has showed better in far fewer minutes, but Muyl still gets run out there every weekend.

It wouldn't shock me at all if Mike came back, got a goal, as a result played over Royer in the playoffs, and then proceeded to double his postseason numbers from 0 goals and assists, to ...

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Come on man, those numbers don't even put him as the top winger on the Red Bull's in 2015 - Sam had 10 and 7.

In 2016 Tommy McNamara had 5 and 9. Is he a Top 7 winger in MLS?

Grella had very good numbers in 2015 and 2016. My problem is not with him, it's with Marsch's reliance on him. Mike was clearly was lost on the pitch in the Montreal leg of the 2016 playoffs and Marsch left him in way too long. And he played like shit just about every minute he played this season, yet Marsch still started him over Royer in the City Open Cup match. Luckily Armas was coaching that night and he pulled Mike at half for Royer, who got the goal.

Marsh gets this way with some guys. He's doing the same thing with Muyl now. Etienne has showed better in far fewer minutes, but Muyl still gets run out there every weekend.

It wouldn't shock me at all if Mike came back, got a goal, as a result played over Royer in the playoffs, and then proceeded to double his postseason numbers from 0 goals and assists, to ...

In your heart of hearts, do you really believe there is ANY chance that Grella plays over Royer in the playoffs if both are healthy?  Sorry, but that's just not going to happen.

 

I don't even think Grella will play in the playoffs.



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In your heart of hearts, do you really believe there is ANY chance that Grella plays over Royer in the playoffs if both are healthy?  Sorry, but that's just not going to happen.

 

I don't even think Grella will play in the playoffs.

Honestly, I don't know.  I wouldn't have thought Grella would have played over Royer in the Open Cup match.  I wouldn't have thought Muyl would have played this many more minutes than Etienne.  It would probably be Davis to sit if Marsch started Grella.

 

I don't think he comes back in 2017 anyway, Marsch just scares me with both Grella and Muyl.



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If Royer is unavailable and Keita just isn't working out, who are the starters in that hypothetical game? Who are the 4 players in front of Felipe beside BWP and Sacha? 


RIP Guillermo Romulo, Alexander Francis Orig and Celenio Eleazar.

 

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If Royer is unavailable and Keita just isn't working out, who are the starters in that hypothetical game? Who are the 4 players in front of Felipe beside BWP and Sacha? 

Davis, Ettiene, Muyl, Bezecourt, Veron (though he's best alone up top)


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Got it. I'd try this if Keita and Royer are not available:

 

BWP

Davis-Sacha-Adams

Felipe

Taxi-Long-Collin-Escobar-Murillo

Robles

 

If Collin is unavailable, I'd slide Taxi in at LCB, Escobar in the middle and Long at RCB and put Muyl al LWB. 


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If Keita and Royer were somehow not able to play in the playoffs, I think Davis is an automatic.  He's defensively smart, presses extremely well, and takes shots from everywhere.  Good balance for our pass-first offense.   On the other side of Davis I would go Bezecourt or Etienne. 

 

But I would also not hate the choice you made above Eleazar.  Moving Adams up because it also gets Murillo on the field.  Adams and Davis in those spots makes our press really tough to handle.



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Davis, Ettiene, Muyl, Bezecourt, Veron (though he's best alone up top)

I'm guessing your list wasn't a pecking order, but Marsch's would presumably be Muyl/Davis/Veron/Etienne/Duka at this stage?



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I'm guessing your list wasn't a pecking order, but Marsch's would presumably be Muyl/Davis/Veron/Etienne/Duka at this stage?

I think Davis is #1


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