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Anyone else feel differently about the whole MLS 'project' now? I mean whats the point if our teams aren't our teams, but merely extensions of parasitic corporations. I mean, I like Red Bull, although I havent drunk it in a while, but it is a drink, not a football team. How can I follow a league if it is prepared to become so soulless, that it will merely be some long 9 month sporting infomercial for which other companies see us as fool enough to be taken in by it.

Today I realised my feelings have changed. When I read on MLS.net that DC Utd and Revolution had lost in the champions cup I was pleased. Whats the point in wanting MLS to succeed if the cost of success renders the league to cultural annihalation at the hands of corporations?

As it stands, as of today I am with the mockers of soccer. MLS teams, and especially R** C***ing B*** New York deserves to be mocked in every bar in New York.

Am I overreacting, or is this the beginning of the end of the hope for MLS that we all had? :angry:

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Lets see... after 10 years of "progress" what does MLS have to show for it?

-Becoming a corporate WHORE & naming its teams after a soft drink
-A Pattern of continually choosing the MONEY over the FANS
-A WORTHLESS COMMISSIONER who resembles a RAT & used to work for NFL Europe- The only league on the PLANET in WORSE SHAPE than MLS.
-The Houston 1836/ Houston Dynamo debacle
-Stagnant Attendance
-TV Viewership in the thousands.
-Nonexistent Buzz or Media Coverage
-Completely mishandling its Golden Goose, Freddy Adu.
-Having one owner, AEG owning practically half the league
-Failed to sell DC United- the team w/ the most history in the
league, and Freddy Adu
-Losing all credibility, and perception of having a SOUL after
selling out to Red Bull.
-New Soccer stadiums that cant even sell out the first year they
are built, like in Dallas.

MLS had its shot & failed after 10 years. Hopefully a new pro-futbol league pops up somewhere in America to do a MUCH better job. Maybe we can invade Mexicio, and just make their league our league...

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Name one sports league in the world that doesn't choose money over 'fans'.

I'm officially ok with this happening now. I wish they wouldn't change the name, but they are going to do it anyway. I like that we have another owner in the league, I like that this owner WANTS to be in the league. I don't care if by naming the team he thinks he might sell a few more drinks...Hell, soccer fans aren't as brand loyal as other fans (traditionally) anyway.

We are there to watch a team, we will all get used to the new name...or we won't. I thought I would never be able to say PNC Arts Center or Continental Arena....but, I do now.

I don't see this making the league anything but stronger too. New owners, spending MORE money to get in..how is that a bad thing?

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Todd,

I think it's a little naive to think this will make the league stronger. The league was growing in strength and respect because it had values, and was integrating more and more with the culture of world football. Take this website, it is culturally progressive as far as football is concerned. As someone who follows MLS from afar I can assure you that MLS has taken a big step backward, especially if this becomes a trend.

The most frustrating thing of all for me is that it's so unnescesary. Red Bull could own the team, whack a sponsor on the shirt, but keep the colours and the Metrostars name. It's rude, ignorant and greedy to do more. If Red Bull were a person I sure wouldn't buy that sort of a person a beer.

As far as I'm concerned anyone who actively supports the new team is contributing to the over-commercialisation of football, and is shaming himself in supporting such ventures.

As for which leagues don't put money above fans? Well, every league has investment, and allows commercial partners, but the respect is mutual and the commercial partners aren't allowed to take over. It's worth remembering that the best team in the world right now-FC Barcelona, have never had a shirt sponsor.

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Anyone else feel differently about the whole MLS 'project' now? I mean whats the point if our teams aren't our teams, but merely extensions of parasitic corporations. I mean, I like Red Bull, although I havent drunk it in a while, but it is a drink, not a football team. How can I follow a league if it is prepared to become so soulless, that it will merely be some long 9 month sporting infomercial for which other companies see us as fool enough to be taken in by it.

Today I realised my feelings have changed. When I read on MLS.net that DC Utd and Revolution had lost in the champions cup I was pleased. Whats the point in wanting MLS to succeed if the cost of success renders the league to cultural annihalation at the hands of corporations?

As it stands, as of today I am with the mockers of soccer. MLS teams, and especially R** C***ing B*** New York deserves to be mocked in every bar in New York.

Am I overreacting, or is this the beginning of the end of the hope for MLS that we all had? :angry:

You just signed on these boards to tell us you are rooting against MLS?

Nice try.

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The fact that I've just signed on here does not mean I'm not interested.

You'll probably find that to be interested in this site you had to be interested in MLS in the first place. I am one of a handful of people that follows MLS abroad, but follow it I do, and I go to the trouble of praising it's virtues to those who have other more established leagues and teams to support. How can I spell it out. Up to last week I LOVED MAJOR LEAGUE SOCCER!

Basically want I wanted to do was to offer some solidarity to you guys. Your team is going, and how people can look above a hostile takeover like this beggars belief. From where I'm sat MLS is going down the pan. If you don't think so then say so.

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Lets see... after 10 years of "progress" what does MLS have to show for it?

-Becoming a corporate WHORE & naming its teams after a soft drink
-A Pattern of continually choosing the MONEY over the FANS
-A WORTHLESS COMMISSIONER who resembles a RAT & used to work for NFL Europe- The only league on the PLANET in WORSE SHAPE than MLS.
-The Houston 1836/ Houston Dynamo debacle
-Stagnant Attendance
-TV Viewership in the thousands.
-Nonexistent Buzz or Media Coverage
-Completely mishandling its Golden Goose, Freddy Adu.
-Having one owner, AEG owning practically half the league
-Failed to sell DC United- the team w/ the most history in the
league, and Freddy Adu
-Losing all credibility, and perception of having a SOUL after
selling out to Red Bull.
-New Soccer stadiums that cant even sell out the first year they
are built, like in Dallas.

MLS had its shot & failed after 10 years. Hopefully a new pro-futbol league pops up somewhere in America to do a MUCH better job. Maybe we can invade Mexicio, and just make their league our league...

Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah...

I have one simple question for you. Over the cumulative ten plus years of the MLS, has the league made or lost money?

My guess is you will find it is a net loss of money, probably big money. If that is the case then these "corporate whores" as you call them have been subsidizing you, the grateful fans, to watch live professional soccer all these years.

Given the list you provided, why would you devote one iota of your time on this or any other forum related to MLS? The joke is on you, not MLS, if you hang around with that list of grievances.

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I'm angry with the team for losing the scrimmage with Chicago 3-0, but I have to think this week's business got to them. They can't be oblivious to the situation.

I'm also angry that 2 MLS teams AGAIN got knocked out of the Champion's Cup. I realize our league is in pre-season, but these teams trained early for this. It especially hurts to see LA totally choke, snatching defeat from the jaws of victory. It reflects badly on MLS, and is a sobering reminder that until we can prove ourselves in international matches, we still have a lot to improve.

If what we are going through amounts to a successful shake-up and a wake-up call to the league in general, indicating that it's time to move in another direction, then, as the saying goes, "It's an ill wind that blows nobody good."

However, to read the crap attributed to Chinaglia in todays NY Daily News, is to realize that he is totally divorced from reality. Suggesting that a team can be put together in a little over two weeks -- all new, a clean sweep, as he said -- because "after all this is not the EPL, this is not Seria A," indicates an arrogance and ignorance of terrain that has sent better men than him to utter ruin.

Does he expect to import a complete team from Europe or South America to compete in MLS? Just completing the paperwork and getting visas will eat up all the time left before April! Is MLS incapable of countering his lunacy with a little common sense for us to read, if only to feel a bit of confidence in the league itself?

To think this toxic dump actually wears pants and could be Red Bulls' GM is to abandon rational thought altogether.

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Okay,

I know this wasn't aimed at me, but the last post was a little off the mark I thought.

MLS1 10 year average crowd of 15,000 X say an average 10 year ticket price of $15 = $225,000 per game!

€225,000 per club per game is from the FANS. That is more than enough money to run a professional soccer club. The management's failure to operate a profit (incidentally football clubs should not be run to make profit. Surplusses should be directed back into the team IMO) is the fault of the management and not the humble supporter.

Ain't nothing wrong with the MLS fan. Given the standard of play MLS and club management should be grateful.

hmm, going off the point here.

R** B*** still blows goats

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-- Just read the thread citing Ives on the issue of FO and other changes. The good news is that Georgio was just breaking wind, as usual, and won't be involved in the team's operations.

This alone is a great relief, along with the news that the Metro history will be preserved, and that AEG has relinquished rights to the "Metro" area.

I didn't realize how much all this really upset me until I read the latest news. The feeling of actual, physical relief amazed me. Like the man said, this isn't a matter of life or death. It's more serious than that.

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Well I'm grateful that MLS exists.

I've had quality soccer league to follow in the US. A league that is getting better every year. A league that will get better as finances improve.

Saying you are dissolusioned is code for 'I'm ungrateful'. Plain and simple.

People, morn the name change... but don't get all high and mighty about this. MLS as a league has lost money for many years to make sure that the roots of a good, and maybe great someday, soccer league are cemented.

This situation has gotten out of control.

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Given the list you provided, why would you devote one iota of your time on this or any other forum related to MLS? The joke is on you, not MLS, if you hang around with that list of grievances.

You may look at what I'm about to say as cheesy/corny, but it is straight from the heart:

My only allegiance is to the Beautiful game- not to MLS, Serie A, EPL, La Liga or what ever-in much the same way many Christians only care about Christianity, and not the Pope, or Protestant vs. Catholic , or any other of the Politics than go along with it.

I've seen the power and potential of this game- I've seen it bring bitter rivals together. Ive seen it bring nations on the brink of civil war together (Iraq national team in the olympics). I've seen it unite the world every 4 years- make people stop about their petty differences for a month, and just appreciate the joy that makes life worth living. THATS why I love this game, and THATS why I DESPERATELY WANT to see it succeed in America.

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If it exists purely to sell more heart attack fizzy pop and make more money for Red Bull then it doesnt deserve to succeed anywhere.

Football is the world sport and it's the peoples game. We shouldn't relinquish control of it to the corporations without a fight

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Anyone else feel differently about the whole MLS 'project' now?...
Am I overreacting, or is this the beginning of the end of the hope for MLS that we all had? :angry:

Why be disillusioned now, after they came for you, rather than before, when they came for Miami, Tampa Bay, or San Jose? Everybody is in this together, and picking -- with glee -- over the bones of Miami and Tampa has come back to haunt a few other teams. Instead, everyone should be offended every time MLS pulls crap like this.

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With all due respect to the great play in other countries, I think it is a little short sighted to pile on MLS and corprate whore-dom here. For what it's worth, this league has been virtually devoid of corporate sponsorship when compared with bigger leagues. Our teams generally have their names across the chest and the team name is the biggest thing you see on the unifrom. It doesn't say "Fly Emirates" or "Vodaphone". I've sat with people who have no idea about foriegn soccer and have them ask me if Northern Rock was the name of the town or the team?!?! This is one team and one owner. I don't think it is fair to yet to think it will have any lasting effect on the league. If it does, that will only be because it was a success for Red Bull.

Has Red Bull stpeed over a line? I would say so, but it does seem that they have not leaped over it here like they did in Austria. Perhaps they learned their lesson, only time will tell. Name change or not, this league still does not come close to the type over corporatism shown in NASCAR and now the unifroms simply look like every Eurpoean uniform.

They changed the name, but considering the fact that Metrostars was named for nearly the same reason, we seem almost like we're just splittong hairs here.




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