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Marsch was hired three weeks before players reported for training camp.

Your own words, from a story titled "Red Bulls fire coach Mike Petke out of nowhere" (emphasis added):

 

"In a drastic reboot Wednesday, the Red Bulls abruptly fired Mike Petke — the most popular and successful coach in team history — and announced replacement Jesse Marsch barely two hours later."

 

http://nypost.com/20...out-of-nowhere/

 

Yeah, I'd say two hours before your successor is going to be named is the "last minute".


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It's not that confusing to understand?

 

 

Maybe sucks is the wrong word, perhaps unfortunate? Some people probably don't know how to feel still because we're doing good but it's with someone other than Petke coaching the team. Petke was the best coach we've ever had and he got canned. Cannot argue, he had the most success and therefore he was the best. A new GM came in, fired him but never said why (just that he was not the right fit) and hired his boy. His boy is doing well, and we (most) of us are pretty happy, but there's always a part of me (probably all of us) that wonders if we'd be in the same position with Petke at the helm. Maybe, maybe not. I know I'd be thrilled if we were doing this well with Petke at the helm. It just sucks because we'll never know how he would of done, but we all know he did enough to deserve the chance.

 

 

Yes, I certainly can argue that "he had the most success therefore he was the best." That's cray cray. Barry Switzer had a better record in Dallas than Jimmie Johnson; does that make him better? George Seifert had a better record in San Fran than Bill Walsh. Not even Seifert thinks he's better than Bill. Or more locally, Kyle Flood has a better record than Greg Schiano, but had more to work with after the latter had to build up from one and two-win talent. Now, I'm not saying which one is better, just saying it's not that simple or black-and-white. "Best coach" is subjective. "Best record" is objective.

 

Yes, the Shield is the first (meaningful) hardware the Red Bulls have ever won. Although for my money, the best team they've ever had was the 2000 squad, based on objective (their entire body of work) and subjective (the eye-test). They didn't have a Titi or a $13 million payroll, but for perspective:

 

In 2013 they finished first (Shield), in the quarterfinal round (MLS Cup) and Round of 16 (Open Cup). If you add those, you'd get 25.

In 2000 they finished third (Shield), in the semifinal round (MLS Cup) and semifinal round (Open Cup). Add those, you get 11.



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Ali Curtis never said why he fired Petke. I wish he just had the balls to say he fired him because he didn't like him, or they just disagreed on vision of the club.

How does this help Petke? How does saying I fired Mike because I don't think he's a good coach help him? Saying it wasn't about firing Petke, but bringing Marsch may not be 100% truthful, but it is better for Mike in the long run.

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How does this help Petke? How does saying I fired Mike because I don't think he's a good coach help him? Saying it wasn't about firing Petke, but bringing Marsch may not be 100% truthful, but it is better for Mike in the long run.

I'm still shocked more people can't see this.



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I'm still shocked more people can't see this.

To be honest, I'm not.  Could be I'm overly cynical.



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Ali Curtis never said why he fired Petke. I wish he just had the balls to say he fired him because he didn't like him, or they just disagreed on vision of the club. Then it was also the way he fired Petke. Petke was ready to work in a small market low budget setting as well. He thought he was on board with Curtis. Then Curtis has come off as a smug asshole in the town hall meeting. Curtis may be a very good GM and potentially an MLS genius but he is still a Smug asshole. For that he will never get my respect.

For that Red Bull will never get another dime of my money. 20 year season ticket holder and out.

 

I still watch the team on TV and Jesse is doing fine but Mike may have done just as well. I'll come back after Red Bull sells and if they never sell I will never be back.



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This franchise seems destined to break our hearts.

Winning the Shield at home was the greatest day I've had as a Metro fan. 

Beating DC in the playoffs was also great. 

Missing MLS Cup by a hair was disappointing, but I've had many & far worse.  

This season has gone reasonably well, in a weak conference.

Unless it ends with a shield or cup, it's a disappointment.


We are good enough to beat the best teams, and bad enough to lose to the worst teams. 


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If mike was still running the show, this season is much more enjoyable for me. I don't need to explain it, if you don't get it you never will.




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