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 MLS is bush league and soccer is a niche still.

Not in the Pacific northwest.

 

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Not in the Pacific northwest.

 

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Or Atlanta.  We needed the win more for attendance, I think, but its not horrible they won MLS cup.  That's a good way to build a strong and long-lasting fanbase, which will be good for the league.

 

On the other hand fuck Atlanta. 


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should've been us. 


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Lets hope it does not come to this, here:
https://www.bbc.com/...africa-46902748

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Lets hope it does not come to this, here:
https://www.bbc.com/...africa-46902748

one of the wilder stories i saw today. real shame



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Or Atlanta.  We needed the win more for attendance, I think, but its not horrible they won MLS cup.  That's a good way to build a strong and long-lasting fanbase, which will be good for the league.
 
On the other hand fuck Atlanta. 

I have a feeling Cincinnati is going to draw well.

And related to that, it seems like new/expansion teams get good crowds. ATL, Orlando, LAFC etc. Even Portland and the sounders were brought into the league in the 2000s.

Maybe its because it is are new and exciting for those fans? Unlike places like DC Columbus, Dallas or NJ, where the excitement seems to have faded.

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I have a feeling Cincinnati is going to draw well.

And related to that, it seems like new/expansion teams get good crowds. ATL, Orlando, LAFC etc. Even Portland and the sounders were brought into the league in the 2000s.

Maybe its because it is are new and exciting for those fans? Unlike places like DC Columbus, Dallas or NJ, where the excitement seems to have faded.


Well those cities didnt have to deal with there just being 8 teams in the league, games being decided by shootouts, and lower quality of the late 90s-early 00s. Its easy to give them credit for having great crowds but its also easy to enter an established league

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Such franchises as Portland and Seattle also have downtown stadiums, an advantage which suburban franchises such as Chicago Fire (Bridgeview, Illinois) and F.C. Dallas 96 (Frisco, Texas) simply do not have.


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I have a feeling Cincinnati is going to draw well.

Not a risky prediction, seeing that they averaged >25K in the USL this past season.

new/expansion teams get good crowds. ATL, Orlando, LAFC etc. Even Portland and the sounders.

Many expansion teams market themselves strongly. Some original teams, like KC, have successfully reinvented themselves.

DC Columbus, Dallas or NJ ... the excitement ... faded.


DC finally have their new stadium, and if they are ever smart enough to replace Olsen, could see a return to their glory days.
Metro/RB faded early. The FO has never been able to market the team well, even with the move to RBA.

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I don't think it is primarily the fault of the FO for soccer not being successful in the NYC area. It has to do with the sports culture, and the difficulty in changing culture. From February, when spring training starts to Oct/Nov, baseball is on all the sports pages and radio/tv sports news. NFL is also on from August on to the end of the year. The NYC area sports culture is MLB/NFL. Other sports get little slices of the pie- US open tennis, Stanley Cup, NBA playoffs. The bottom line is that no society likes to change its culture.

 

So why is that not the case in other USA cities? Because the other cities did not have the success in MLB that NYC had going back to the days of Babe Ruth. So why doesn't the immigrant population of the NYC area go for MLS, as is the case in other cities? Immigrants want to assimilate and the way to do that in the NYC area is to get involved in baseball because that is what people talk about here. In other areas, baseball is not dominant so it is easier to get into soccer and MLS.

 

Culture is stubborn. Likewise, baseball or NFL stand no chance of becoming popular outside of the USA (except where it has been accepted - Japan, Korea, Cuba, Venezuela and except for ex-pats), because the culture is different. So what it comes down to is that the Northeast MLS teams (NY, NE, PHI) are basically token franchises for tv purposes. Soccer is going to grow and grow elsewhere in the USA, but not here.



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the Northeast MLS teams (NY, NE, PHI) are basically token franchises for tv purposes.


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I don't think it is primarily the fault of the FO for soccer not being successful in the NYC area. It has to do with the sports culture, and the difficulty in changing culture. From February, when spring training starts to Oct/Nov, baseball is on all the sports pages and radio/tv sports news. NFL is also on from August on to the end of the year. The NYC area sports culture is MLB/NFL. Other sports get little slices of the pie- US open tennis, Stanley Cup, NBA playoffs. The bottom line is that no society likes to change its culture.

 

So why is that not the case in other USA cities? Because the other cities did not have the success in MLB that NYC had going back to the days of Babe Ruth. So why doesn't the immigrant population of the NYC area go for MLS, as is the case in other cities? Immigrants want to assimilate and the way to do that in the NYC area is to get involved in baseball because that is what people talk about here. In other areas, baseball is not dominant so it is easier to get into soccer and MLS.

 

Culture is stubborn. Likewise, baseball or NFL stand no chance of becoming popular outside of the USA (except where it has been accepted - Japan, Korea, Cuba, Venezuela and except for ex-pats), because the culture is different. So what it comes down to is that the Northeast MLS teams (NY, NE, PHI) are basically token franchises for tv purposes. Soccer is going to grow and grow elsewhere in the USA, but not here.

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this ignores the experience of the Cosmos and the incredible youth soccer scene and that many people follow leagues in home countries + follow a team in big 4 leagues

I guess you don't watch any NFL games that sell out consistently in London and Mexico City.  

 

I do agree it is not blame of FO.  It is a very involved issue.


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What do people think about this website?
https://www.prosoccerusa.com

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What do people think about this website?
https://www.prosoccerusa.com

i like it, i think they do a good job for a free website.  i go on there sometimes even though i now get a lot of my MLS soccer fix from the athletic.  i think their coverage is really good and you can always find a 40% off subscription code somewhere which makes its pretty cheap to try.



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this ignores the experience of the Cosmos and the incredible youth soccer scene and that many people follow leagues in home countries + follow a team in big 4 leagues

I guess you don't watch any NFL games that sell out consistently in London and Mexico City.  

 

I do agree it is not blame of FO.  It is a very involved issue.

Pretty good points. 

 

Sometimes we want an explanation (simple or not) and there just isn't one (or at least it's unknowable, philosophers can debate the difference). Cosmos in the 70s? 77,691 at Giants Stadium for Cosmos vs. Strikers (I think it was Strikers). Why? At least partly because of the NASL stars:  Chinaglia, Neeskens, Cruyff, Marinho, Carlos Alberto (I know not all Cosmos, nevertheless part of the League). Didn't Giants Stadium draw an almost full house for an LA/Red Bull game (Beckham vs. JPA)? 

 

MLS may be perceived by those who control the relevant media as "second class", newspapers (and I use the term loosely around here) won't spend much time covering it, sports radio has plenty of other things to discuss. The word "contempt" comes to mind. This notwithstanding, there are writers who seem to like soccer, Mark Cannizzaro comes to mind, he's written a couple of pieces recently on Red Bull. My guess is it's an unpaid gig, though.

 

Again, part of it is star power. Populate the league with players that people around the world pay attention to you and New York will want to come to the party.


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