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The story of how silverware eluded the MLS team of the decade


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https://www.statsper...-of-the-decade/

 

have not had a chance to read.  should be interesting (and depressing)

 

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already so sad

That RBNY couldn’t parlay their success into an MLS Cup title isn’t only frustrating to supporters, it’s just plain weird. It’s almost without precedent, in fact. Across all the major pro sports in the U.S., only four other teams recorded their league’s highest winning percentage over an entire decade and didn’t produce a championship during that time.

 

Decade League Team Reached Finals

1910-10 MLB N.Y. Giants 1911, 1912, 1913, 1917
1980-89 MLB N.Y. Yankees 1981
2000-09 MLS Chicago Fire 2000, 2003
2010-19 MLB N.Y. Yankees none
2010-19 MLS Red Bulls none


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RBNY couldnt parlay their success into an MLS Cup ... Reached Finals 2010-19 MLS Red Bulls none


Could not even get close ...
I went to high school with the writer.
Never knew he was a soccer fan.
Nit pick: His stats are slightly off, because at 3 pts. for a win, 1 pt. for a draw, Seattle totals 550 pts. to RB 549.

We are good enough to beat the best teams, and bad enough to lose to the worst teams. 


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Nice article, but the moral of the story at the end rings a bit false tbh...

"[...] for me at least, a Cup wouldnt change things all that much. I watch a lot of games and I derive a quiet pleasure from watching the Red Bulls win, whether its an early-season slog against a nondescript non-conference opponent or a crucial playoff game in early November. Both make me happy; neither changes my life."

Sure, a Cup wouldn't be life changing for him but equating it to a regular season game win is a bit of a stretch. I guess there's only one way for him to find out if he's wrong.

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Nice article, but the moral of the story at the end rings a bit false tbh...

"[...] for me at least, a Cup wouldnt change things all that much. I watch a lot of games and I derive a quiet pleasure from watching the Red Bulls win, whether its an early-season slog against a nondescript non-conference opponent or a crucial playoff game in early November. Both make me happy; neither changes my life."

Sure, a Cup wouldn't be life changing for him but equating it to a regular season game win is a bit of a stretch. I guess there's only one way for him to find out if he's wrong.

 

A Cup win would mean we'd have FOUR trophies, not just the three we have. I find stuff like this beyond stupid, esp when it comes from clowns within the fanbase. 


RIP Guillermo Romulo, Alexander Francis Orig, Celenio Eleazar, and my Mom, Resurreccion Eleazar.

 

RIP Cesar Castello, Mike Vallo, Glenn Stampiglia, Bob Paquette, and Warren Lee

 

 

 


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A Cup win would mean we'd have FOUR trophies, not just the three we have. I find stuff like this beyond stupid, esp when it comes from clowns within the fanbase. 

clowns within the fanbase? 

wow


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You could also write about how RBNY maintained continued success without spending nearly as much on high profile players as other teams....but the glass always has to be half-empty to some folks.  



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You could also write about how RBNY maintained continued success without spending nearly as much on high profile players as other teams....but the glass always has to be half-empty to some folks.  

You can be successful and even legendary with an approach like that (Billy Beane), and I agree that's pretty good. We could certainly be in a much worse situation (NYC, NE, Crew all come to mind, and that's just in the East).
 
Doesn't change the fact that we have not won MLS Cup and aren't looking particularly likely to do it any time soon. We HAVE won multiple Shields, but it's not looking great for future repeats of that either.
 
You can acknowledge the positives and complain about the missing pieces, which don't necessarily have to be massive financial splashes, just a key player or two to get us over the top.

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A Cup win would mean we'd have FOUR trophies, not just the three we have. I find stuff like this beyond stupid, esp when it comes from clowns within the fanbase. 

A cup win?  Please when?



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His stats are slightly off, because at 3 pts. for a win, 1 pt. for a draw, Seattle totals 550 pts. to RB 549.

His stats aren't off. He does state that Seattle has 550 points and RBNY has 549. But he also clearly specifies RBNY had MLS' highest winning percentage, which is 100% accurate. He also uses that same barometer for the other leagues, probably - not to speak for him - because winning percentage translates across team sports, unlike points-per-game, which isn't germane to the NFL or MLB or the NBA. 



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His stats aren't off. He does state that Seattle has 550 points and RBNY has 549. But he also clearly specifies RBNY had MLS' highest winning percentage, which is 100% accurate. He also uses that same barometer for the other leagues, probably - not to speak for him - because winning percentage translates across team sports, unlike points-per-game, which isn't germane to the NFL or MLB or the NBA. 

This is splitting hairs either way, but the winning percentage is based on counting draws as half-wins. That aligns it with NFL, which is... one option :) If you go with ppg (draw = 1/3 win) or just ignore draws (as I would when calculating _winning_ percentage), we have fewer wins and therefore a slightly lower winning percentage than Seattle.

Not a big deal either way, the larger premise of the article obviously still stands.

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he also clearly specifies RBNY had MLS' highest winning percentage, which is 100% accurate. 


Also 100% irrelevant, as MLS ranks by points.
Sounders also have 4 more wins, the 1st tiebreaker.
Still, I share his frustration.

We are good enough to beat the best teams, and bad enough to lose to the worst teams. 





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