This is a mid-table team with mid-table talent...and teams around us are kind of pushing our total team talent towards the bottom half of the league with their additions this window. Montreal just got better, for example. This new Finnish kid they have is gonna be a problem when linking with Piatti. New England got a lot better with Bou and especially on the coaching front.
We have had some attrition, not a lot of meaningful addition over the past 2 years. It's beyond concerning.
I dont know if Ragnick is running the show or not. If he is, he's apathetic as fuck and a step down from Ali Curtis (and I really do not like Ali Curtis). What I do know is that since Hamlett came on board our academy has bled talent and coaches and we have done fucking nothing positive in the transfer market.
Red Bull remains our biggest problem, but Hamlett is clearly in way over his head
All teams won't pay kids to come to their academy, but the smart and ambitious ones will. It is a massive ROI potential for very little cash outlay. It's the same reason some of these power 5 schools do not blink at the prospect of throwing 30k at a 5* QB. If the kid wins a bunch of games and gets you into the playoffs, you stand to easily make 100-300x (if not more) what you paid to get him there. If he doesn't? No big harm. Still got a 5* kid there for cheap and his presence probably helped you land some other elite prospects. Just make sure no paper trail and it doesnt lead back to your coaching staff and no sweat.
Dallas just sold a kid for 1.5m and he never played a first team game. If you've got a really, really high end u-16, why not pay him to join your academy for a year and promise to sell him on early in his career?
Seriously. Our academy is top tier in North America. Supposedly up there with Dallas. Why would a local prodigy be poached by another MLS team when they could join the RBNY pyramid (assuming they're good enough) instead?
It was top tier. As BrianMLS has laid out for all, that is no longer the case. Which is part of the reason Ralf is being put in charge.
Eleazar is dead on accurate about the recruiting aspect of the Academies. Kids are gonna get paid to go to places, whether legally or illegally. Anyone who follows college football knows how this is gonna go. It ain't gonna be easy. We had a massive advantage with the closed geographical boundaries because we had probably the second or third best talent pool in the country under our sole control. Open it up, get some cash payments involved...
I wouldn't be too pollyanna on this stuff, guys. It ain't just gonna be about perceived quality of the Academy.
The entire concept of buying prospects young (who said that has to mean U-20?) and selling for a profit down the line has only existed in MLS for like 3 years. I'm saying that I hope Rangnick can get us in the game of buying more Kaku/Almiron/Rossi types and fewer Veron/Jorgenson types.
And let's flip this argument for a second. Outside of the Adam's transfer, which I entirely disagree was blown because of the bonkers sell-on fee and constantly inflating transfer market, when has the Red Bull pipeline totally screwed us? Who are these players begging to be in NY but instead getting dragged kicking and screaming over to Leipzig?
This is the part of the argument that I think is total BS. To get those type of players consistently you need to be spending money consistently on transfer fees. We have spent serious money once in the past 5 years, and it was $6.25m for Kaku. Once. The majority of the guys we're bringing in are either via loan or free transfer. So, unless the budget is magically tripling and unless our academy stops bleeding coaches/personnel, I don't see how anyone can think Ragnick is going to somehow be this savant at player recruitment.
Ragnick's whole allure is a tactical one, and he's only going to be looking at our academy part time. He's also responsible for Brazil. Hey, great that maybe they're trying to stop the bleeding on the academy front, it's been a turnstyle down at that level with coaching exits and player recruitment struggles. Maybe Ragnick can fix that. But the idea that he's going to be going out and finding all these stud kids and that they're going to come to Metro is ignoring the very clear problem that you need to spend money to get them here in the first place. And that's a budget problem.
Otherwise, we're gonna keep randomly signing these kids and hoping 1/10 pan out. And the arena stays empty.
I am talking about a very specific group of fan who are more interested in sitting here and defending an owner than they are in seeing this club treated with respect and run in an effort to win trophies.
Thankfully, most of those people aren't on this site. Probably should've made that clear.
Same people cheering this will be the first blaming the manager when we win jack shit for year 24 and have no MLS Cup.
Some of y'all deserve the playoff losses for excusing this shit. FOH. We bringing in Almiron soon? We got another Adams in the pipeline? Or are we out here just snagging rando's outta Denmark and fucking whinging it? Think I know which way this is gonna go...
The goal of a football club is to win trophies. The only thing we ask as fans is that they make that their first priority. If they don't care about results and simply care about developing players for someone else, we're not a proper football club. I'm sorry. We're not playing the same game as any other squad in this league.
If you think this club is going to go out and get us some major young talent and spend the money necessary to get them into the squad, you need your head examined (especially after Kaku's CA saga). Ragnick is here to bring in cheap young guys and hope one works out. Then ship him off to Leipzig as soon as he shows promise. That's his directive.
Even if the academy pumps out a tyler adams every other year it will make very little difference in the long run bc we wont have the new phenom play with the existing young phenom bc the first guy would have been sold already.
The fact that this team did nothing to replace Adams at that CM spot shows you that winning isnt at the top of their priority list.
Ppl bring up that this is a very similar team that won the SS last year. But lets not forget that most of our opponents FOs didnt sit on their hands this offseason and last summer window. Last summers big signings like Ibra and Rooney have settled and are paying dividends.
The league isn't stagnant, teams get better, and generally the quality is going up each successive year. Even with that in mind it was always going to be extremely difficult to replace Tyler Adams. That was a kid who was groomed and brought up for the system Marsch played. He executed our system and played at such a level that he is a starting player on a Champions League bundesliga team. It's hard enough to replace him just on his understanding of our system alone...it's next to impossible to replace his skill without breaking the bank for a high quality product.
There's this group of ownership defenders who literally cannot criticize them at all for whatever reason. I like CCJ, I think he has some promise. But the same people who were singing his praises as the answer to Adams THIS YEAR are the first ones to blame Armas alone for the situation we find ourselves in right now. This ownership needed to spend to plug the hole in the midfield...they responded by bringing back Rza. Is he a solid rotational option and good depth player? Yes. Is he a starting CL quality midfielder? Hell no.
The reality? Tyler Adams not only was the defensive stalwart cleaning up messes for the midfield, he was also the guy who was able to spring our attack with his passing. He was crucially important to this team and downplaying his loss was idiotic. Almost as idiotic as dropping the the entire transfer fee on a kid with 400 total minutes of first team football in nowhere Denmark. Maybe Jorgensen is something, I don't know. But I do know that he's so far behind we've had to sign another kid from USL for striker cover, and the wings still remain an unresolved issue.
Being a top tier marketer is also about knowing what kind of advertising is a waste of money, which is what many of the most frequently proposed ideas are.
And this is the purgatory we find ourselves in. Their brand isn't particularly valuable within MLS, they don't see the need to market the club because it's a marketing vehicle itself, and the stadium stays empty. The club is a failure at building a long term fanbase. After 13 years we have enough evidence to see that people aren't buying into the 'Red Bull lifestyle' brand they've tried so hard to cultivate. Give them credit, that has happened in Leipzig. Hasn't happened here.
They're using black and red for the colors everywhere but the field, especially when it comes to what little advertising they do. Seems as if the brand purity has slowly started to slip with time. This team is in need of an image/brand reboot and has been for some time now.
I am VERY interested to see how the new CBA changes things. There are some big time rumors flying around that involve a pretty major shakeup regarding roster rules and massive cap increases. The new owners want to spend, I don't get the sense Red Bull does too anymore. In theory though, they'd have incentive within the rules to do it if some of this comes to fruition
I love Tyler but I don't think he was our best player last year by any means. Top 3 was debatable although I could buy into that. Would have personally put BWP and Long over him without any doubt about it.
And pointing to anything Tyler has done this year doesn't matter to last year's impact on the team.
This tells me all I need to know about your tactical understanding of what Tyler Adams actually did for this squad. You're just flat out wrong.
Tyler's midfield ability is largely what made our system work. The defense was RARELY exposed because Tyler was in front of them cleaning up messes created by the wings or stopping out counter attacks.
I think attrition of the fan base and attendance and member losses will echo loudly very soon. Better to have this steep decline and get the purge that is necessary over with than a long and drawn out slide into the garbage can. If I hear that we are "just not playing like us" one more time I think I'm gonna puke.
Generally agree. We needed a season like this to force change. Upper management has gotten super lazy in squad building over the past few years and it finally caught up to them. Tyler put a big band aid over some clear roster deficiencies. Now those deficiencies are showing up as father time catches up to BWP.