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Not all. Some are just desperate for a star that they are willing to ignore morale issues. It's sad.
 

Team morale seems fine.  After Vanzeir scored that wonder goal Hassan Ndam ran over and hugged him in a clear expression of happiness and admiration.  The other players on the team, who are in a far better position to judge him, clearly accept Vanzeir and have not held it against him.  If the people who know him far better than you and who know far better than you know what happened find his conduct forgivable, maybe you should take a cue from them.


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Team morale seems fine.  After Vanzeir scored that wonder goal Hassan Ndam ran over and hugged him in a clear expression of happiness and admiration.  The other players on the team, who are in a far better position to judge him, clearly accept Vanzeir and have not held it against him.  If the people who know him far better than you and who know far better than you know what happened find his conduct forgivable, maybe you should take a cue from them.

That. I know some of you don't believe Dante was talking about the ref, and I understand that. But think about everyone who knows this better than you, everyone who heard from him, who was there. There is a consensus that he was indeed addressing the ref and not the players. By people who know better than you, who have more info than you. Be reasonable Metro fans. It's OK to change your opinion in light of the fact people who were there and know more than you about this accepted him and believed him.



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The term monkey business is not racist and I challenge you to produce evidence that it is. At the rate youre going we are going to have to find a new name for monkeys! So if a real, honest to God, primate monkey causes mischief, what are we allowed to call it? Shenanigans? Hijinks? Anything but monkey business? LMAO! What a soft society weve become.

The term monkey business is racist. it has a racist origin. it's not about being soft. it is about educating yourself because the school system has clearly failed you. if your a racist or choose to not educate yourself, that is your choice but don't minimize something that has such a messed-up history. 

 

do your self a favor and read up on it. 



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elf, are you Belgian? Because I have by now seen dozens of Belgians contribute to the conversation across social media to confirm that in their native Dutch it is completely possible to use the word "monkey" towards someone without racial connotations. Considering you have such a strong opinion on the matter I assume you have a long history with people from that area to say otherwise on their behalf?

Folks from the south also loved their confederate flag and spoke highly about it but that flag represented slavery.  Many Americans use the N word in numerous ways but your a smart person. you know the negative meaning of that word. Just because racism terms are embedded in society, it doesn't make it right to use those terms.

 

Since you  want to know about Belgium. lets talk about it. Read about the enlightment period and how european powers tried to justify imperialism. Then read about King Leopold II who ruled Belgium from 1865-1909 and read what he did in the Congo. Read how he described the population that lived there. Read about the "human zoos"  that was established in  Belgium. What noises were those in the "human zoos" required to make? Read about the science experiments that were done to people because they were not considered human.  This is just one European power. many other European powers even the American government did similar things but to other cultures.

 

History repeats itself. learn about it.  But MLS , RBNY and some people in this fanbase find this to be okay which is why this is sad. 



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Darwin was an active anti-racist.  You might be confusing Social Darwinism with Darwin, but they are unrelated.

The book "The Descent of Man" written by Darwin depicted Americans, Australians, and Africans as inferior to Europeans. The "facts" from this book was used to promote racial discrimination in Europe and the US.  



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The term monkey business is racist. it has a racist origin.  

The etymology of the term is in no way clear enough for this sort of concrete statement.

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The etymology of the term is in no way clear enough for this sort of concrete statement.


Facts do not cease to exist because they are ignored.

Folks have to learn from the past to make a better world and call out bs when things like this happens.

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The term monkey business is racist. it has a racist origin. it's not about being soft. it is about educating yourself because the school system has clearly failed you. if your a racist or choose to not educate yourself, that is your choice but don't minimize something that has such a messed-up history. 

 

do your self a favor and read up on it. 

Monkey business does not have a racist origin.  It seems most likely it was a phrase of Indic origin.  In India, there are a lot of monkeys that behave mischievously and there has been for a while.

 

https://wordhistorie...usiness-origin/

 

https://idiomic.com/monkey-business/

 

https://www.phrases....sages/554.html?

 

Do you have any evidence to support what you claim is a fact?


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Facts do not cease to exist because they are ignored.

That is extremely rich given your compulsion to ignore things that don't fit your narrative.

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adding to the list of players in restorative practice process

 

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adding to the list of players in restorative practice process
 
https://twitter.com/...860200135995413


Was that just a single game suspension?

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Monkey business does not have a racist origin.  It seems most likely it was a phrase of Indic origin.  In India, there are a lot of monkeys that behave mischievously and there has been for a while.
 
https://wordhistorie...usiness-origin/
 
https://idiomic.com/monkey-business/
 
https://www.phrases....sages/554.html?
 
Do you have any evidence to support what you claim is a fact?


I gave you a history lesson several posts ago. If you decide not to read, that is your choice.

Secondly, we are not talking about India. We are talking about europe and belgium which is where vanzier is from and how that term was used.

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That is extremely rich given your compulsion to ignore things that don't fit your narrative.


It's really a shame that you think the way you do. The education system failed you.

You really need to pick up a book and read. The only person ignoring anything is you because you dont want to believe it or you accept it.

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It's really a shame that you think the way you do. The education system failed you.

You really need to pick up a book and read. The only person ignoring anything is you because you dont want to believe it or you accept it.

Your holier than thou schtick has really gotten tiresome. Find a new team and sport to support already. Theres a heckuva lot less racism among the posters here than you seem to believe there is.

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Your holier than thou schtick has really gotten tiresome. Find a new team and sport to support already. Theres a heckuva lot less racism among the posters here than you seem to believe there is.


I really dont care if your tired.

For generations people have been abused and discriminated against. If you were discriminated against for your skin color you would be singing a different tune.

MLS even suspended the racist player, a weak penalty,for saying such term and yet we have fans trying to minimize such action.

That is disturbing.








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