you are a lot more attractive when you are free than when a team has 3 years on your contract and all the leverage to negotiate a good priceIf you want to go to EU asap, you can still go. A team would buy you if your good enough.
The fact that he is picking USL over MLS just speaks volumes to where things are with player development in MLS and RBNY.
#16
Posted 19 March 2023 - 10:26 PM
#17
Posted 19 March 2023 - 10:28 PM
trust me when I say this the usl vs mls next pro thing has almost nothing to do with this situationUmm.. tyler was sold and later on moved to europe at 19. Edelman is not ready for europe and tolkin at age 20 will probably get sold this year.
I am not buying that its a case by case scenario. You attract the environment that you create. MLS reserves gave up playing division 2 soccer to create an undesirable MLS PRO league to save money. There is a difference between kids v kids and kids v men who are professional players. The intensity is much greater.
Its sad that USL teams are creating a better youth training environment than MLS teams. kids are seeing teams like louville, who sold Johnathan Gomez to real sociedad and josh wydner to benfica. It is more appealing to go the louville/usl route than MLS reserves because your playing better competition.
If Worth is really a top notch prospect, then he would be starting in MLS by 18. Rbny is not shy on playing young kids. By age 19-20 he would be sold to a European club. He clearly picked usl over MLS because he saw a better development path in the USL.
#18
Posted 19 March 2023 - 11:49 PM
but your less likely to jump to the first team if your not a starter in MLS. You will most likely end up in a reserve team. At that point, why go?you are a lot more attractive when you are free than when a team has 3 years on your contract and all the leverage to negotiate a good price
#19
Posted 19 March 2023 - 11:53 PM
well, whether folks like it or not. It happened and more and more youth players are picking usl over MLS next.trust me when I say this the usl vs mls next pro thing has almost nothing to do with this situation
#20
Posted 20 March 2023 - 07:30 AM
I am not buying that its a case by case scenario. You attract the environment that you create. MLS reserves gave up playing division 2 soccer to create an undesirable MLS PRO league to save money. There is a difference between kids v kids and kids v men who are professional players. The intensity is much greater.
I don't see how this is something to even be bought or sold. Its objectively just how the world works that every player is a case by case scenario, because they are humans and not cattle to be shuttled through the "best system". Every kid has different wants and needs, every family has a different level of risk they're willing to take to support their kids career.
I think you are also focusing on the wrong player pool with this sort of situation. The Tyler Adams level players are not the ones who are going to be leaving our pipeline for another minor league. Like you said, by Worth's age it would be clear that they are the real deal and they'd be fighting for minutes with the first team, let alone reserves. This is for the Peter Strouds out there who would still likely have to fight their way on to an MLS roster, so they decided to fight their way on to a lower tier Euro team instead.
#21
Posted 20 March 2023 - 10:01 AM
because being in Europe is the goal and jumping to u-19s or a reserve team is not seen as a major setback. They all believe they can earn a first team spotbut your less likely to jump to the first team if your not a starter in MLS. You will most likely end up in a reserve team. At that point, why go?
#22
Posted 20 March 2023 - 10:12 AM
#23
Posted 20 March 2023 - 10:13 AM
its not usl over mls next its usl over MLS. Hg contracts as currently designed are not good and will push players away who might desire to go to Europe sooner rather than laterwell, whether folks like it or not. It happened and more and more youth players are picking usl over MLS next.
#24
Posted 20 March 2023 - 11:06 AM
its not usl over mls next its usl over MLS. Hg contracts as currently designed are not good and will push players away who might desire to go to Europe sooner rather than later
What specifically is bad for the player in the contract design?
Are we really seeing a large number of players decline HG contracts and go to USL, or is that speculation?
MLS Next seems too much like the old Reserve league. I don't see how players can be expected to develop much there.
It will be a good thing if USL becomes more of a pipeline for MLS talent. We may not have team pro/rel anytime soon, but we should see more player pro/rel.
Specific to this kid, our crowded midfield pipeline could be a discouraging factor for him.
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#25
Posted 20 March 2023 - 11:33 AM
its 5 years plus an option you lose all leverage to be able to go to Europe at 18. Its becoming more popular Jonathan gomez did it. A kid left San Jose for Charleston recently. Kobe Henry left inter Miami for Orange County. Its only become more popular imo between the territory restrictions and the hg rules players and the agents behind them will take them to areas they have more freedom of movementWhat specifically is bad for the player in the contract design?
Are we really seeing a large number of players decline HG contracts and go to USL, or is that speculation?
MLS Next seems too much like the old Reserve league. I don't see how players can be expected to develop much there.
It will be a good thing if USL becomes more of a pipeline for MLS talent. We may not have team pro/rel anytime soon, but we should see more player pro/rel.
Specific to this kid, our crowded midfield pipeline could be a discouraging factor for him.
#26
Posted 20 March 2023 - 11:46 AM
Another factor at play is the system. The Red Bull system is pretty rigid. That is great for developing players because its a connected philosophy but its also limiting as some players want to venture outside of the system play different styles possession etc. For worth from what I know expanding beyond the Red Bull way and a quick path to Europe are why they made this move its why they had trials in Europe as well. This isnt a completely shock move.
Basically, at the end of the day, a player has to look out for their own interests. If Worth had not bought into the RedBull way, then you have to let him spread his wings and find his own way. There is more than one way to make it in this sport. Can't blame him, but you can't also feel like RedBull may or may have not wasted resources. But then again, that is the nature of the game. Not every player you help develop will contribute to your organization! Move on, wash rinse and repeat.....with better results.
#27
Posted 22 March 2023 - 04:22 PM
I still think MLS needs to have clubs or affiliations with USL teams to develop u21 talent.
MLS next pro can be useful to help stabilize div 3 and provide a platform for u18s to play.
Us soccer needs to get involved to fix the pyramid. Its broken.
#28
Posted 22 March 2023 - 04:36 PM
The player development system in this country has taken a step backwards. MLS and USL should be working together instead of competing to sign prospects.
I still think MLS needs to have clubs or affiliations with USL teams to develop u21 talent.
MLS next pro can be useful to help stabilize div 3 and provide a platform for u18s to play.
Us soccer needs to get involved to fix the pyramid. Its broken.
Let the USL teams develop the talent, and let us buy the talent from them. That's how it's supposed to work.
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#29
Posted 22 March 2023 - 06:29 PM
Seems to be working as more players are getting developed from more areas - see Louisville city etcThe player development system in this country has taken a step backwards. MLS and USL should be working together instead of competing to sign prospects.
I still think MLS needs to have clubs or affiliations with USL teams to develop u21 talent.
MLS next pro can be useful to help stabilize div 3 and provide a platform for u18s to play.
Us soccer needs to get involved to fix the pyramid. Its broken.
What seems to need improvement is HG signing as not everyone wants to be in 5 year contract
Wonder if we get something for development payment or not since not under contract and free agent - thinking no
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#30
Posted 22 March 2023 - 09:30 PM
think academy contracts should be multi year commitments hg territories should be gone and if a player wants to leave the usl team should have to buy themSeems to be working as more players are getting developed from more areas - see Louisville city etc
What seems to need improvement is HG signing as not everyone wants to be in 5 year contract
Wonder if we get something for development payment or not since not under contract and free agent - thinking no
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