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Thats the point youre missing. YOU think Miazga is getting screwed. We dont know what HE thinks. He is still in the USMNT picture, playing, and taking advantage of his peak earning years. European soccer isnt taking advantage of him. He is taking advantage of a situation very few on the planet find themselves in: professional athlete.

He is in USMNT picture? Maybe you should look to see who was in camp for the last round of world cup qualifications. unless there is an injury, he is probably not going to the world cup.  

 

If you believe Chelsea is not taking advantage of him than ask yourself these questions:  Was he given a legit opportunity to be a role player at Chelsea?  How many players does Chelsea have under contract, including the players they have loaned out? How much did Chelsea pay in the transfer fee? How much money did Chelsea earn each year by loaning him out to different clubs? How much did Chelsea earn by loaning out other players?  Where did Chelsea invest this money?   

 

Once you answer these questions you will see that Chelsea like Arsenal and a few other European clubs run a large scale operation that stockpiles talent and then loans them out to raise funds to make even bigger purchases for the first team. they dont care about developing these players. the priority is to either flip in a season or recoup enough loan fees . 

 

This is not only a Chelsea or Arsenal problem. A team like Parma once had over 200 + players under contract. this eventually led the team to bankruptcy. is that normal? No. As a US Soccer fan this is concerning because we will lose talent to this unethical behavior.  there should be limitations to this type of third party ownership. it is unethical.   



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If you believe Chelsea is not taking advantage of him than ask yourself these questions:  Was he given a legit opportunity to be a role player at Chelsea?  How many players does Chelsea have under contract, including the players they have loaned out? How much did Chelsea pay in the transfer fee? How much money did Chelsea earn each year by loaning him out to different clubs? How much did Chelsea earn by loaning out other players?  Where did Chelsea invest this money?.   

You dont think Miazga was aware of Chelseas MO when he signed with them and took their money? Of course he probably hoped hed impress on a loan and get a shot at the big club. Regardless, he followed the money. This idea that hes being taken advantage of! Please. Just stop. Hes not an indentured servant. He signed a $5 million contract in 2016. He signed an extension with Chelsea. Is he suffering from Stockholm Syndrome?

Also, Miazga has appeared for the Nats every year from 2015 through 2021. So dont make it sound like his national team career is over.

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This is not only a Chelsea or Arsenal problem. A team like Parma once had over 200 + players under contract. this eventually led the team to bankruptcy. is that normal? No. As a US Soccer fan this is concerning because we will lose talent to this unethical behavior.  there should be limitations to this type of third party ownership. it is unethical.  



Not unethical. Players sign contracts and the clubs pay them. This isnt intramural youth soccer. Its not a participation sport at this level. Not everyone gets to play for the big club. LMAO



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Not unethical. Players sign contracts and the clubs pay them. This isnt intramural youth soccer. Its not a participation sport at this level. Not everyone gets to play for the big club. LMAO


It is unethical because they are not given the opportunity to develop as a professional soccer player. They think they can be a role player when they sign. Instead, they are treated as property that can be rented out or flipped.

It is not like they are 5 or 10 extra players on the roster. In some cases its 30, 60 or even 200 extra players. We all know that all of those players are not going to play with the first team. It's a shady practice that is ruining careers. You can laugh about it but it is messed up.

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It is unethical because they are not given the opportunity to develop as a professional soccer player. They think they can be a role player when they sign. Instead, they are treated as property that can be rented out or flipped.

Miazga has signed at least one contract extension since arriving at Chelsea. He's either very, very stupid, or he understands the business model and his role in it.

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He is in USMNT picture? Maybe you should look to see who was in camp for the last round of world cup qualifications. unless there is an injury, he is probably not going to the world cup.  

 

If you believe Chelsea is not taking advantage of him than ask yourself these questions:  Was he given a legit opportunity to be a role player at Chelsea?  How many players does Chelsea have under contract, including the players they have loaned out? How much did Chelsea pay in the transfer fee? How much money did Chelsea earn each year by loaning him out to different clubs? How much did Chelsea earn by loaning out other players?  Where did Chelsea invest this money?   

 

Once you answer these questions you will see that Chelsea like Arsenal and a few other European clubs run a large scale operation that stockpiles talent and then loans them out to raise funds to make even bigger purchases for the first team. they dont care about developing these players. the priority is to either flip in a season or recoup enough loan fees . 

 

This is not only a Chelsea or Arsenal problem. A team like Parma once had over 200 + players under contract. this eventually led the team to bankruptcy. is that normal? No. As a US Soccer fan this is concerning because we will lose talent to this unethical behavior.  there should be limitations to this type of third party ownership. it is unethical.   

They've only received one loan fee for Miazga, about $400K.  Most of loans just cover the wages.    The are designed to let a player develop somewhere and eventually be sold for a fee.   If the player doesn't develop well, they don't get a big fee for them in the end.  It is in their interest for the player to develop and catch on somewhere.    Miazga's development has been hampered by Miazga, not by Chelsea.


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They've only received one loan fee for Miazga, about $400K.  Most of loans just cover the wages.    The are designed to let a player develop somewhere and eventually be sold for a fee.   If the player doesn't develop well, they don't get a big fee for them in the end.  It is in their interest for the player to develop and catch on somewhere.    Miazga's development has been hampered by Miazga, not by Chelsea.

your right that the loan program was originally designed to allow players to develop somewhere  and maybe even be sold.

 

However, teams like Chelsea have been abusing the program for the past decade. Some loan fees are reported and sometimes they have language that says team X will get a "fee" and not disclose it. Chelsea loans out players as a way to balance their books and support the first team financially. it then gives the owner the ability to make a few big purchases or else they would be in violation of the financial fair play rules. the financial fair play rules requires clubs to not spend more income than they generate, and they must balance their books  in a three year period. this is how they balance the books. 



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your right that the loan program was originally designed to allow players to develop somewhere  and maybe even be sold.

 

However, teams like Chelsea have been abusing the program for the past decade. Some loan fees are reported and sometimes they have language that says team X will get a "fee" and not disclose it. Chelsea loans out players as a way to balance their books and support the first team financially. it then gives the owner the ability to make a few big purchases or else they would be in violation of the financial fair play rules. the financial fair play rules requires clubs to not spend more income than they generate, and they must balance their books  in a three year period. this is how they balance the books. 

FFP rules require all fees to be disclosed


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your right that the loan program was originally designed to allow players to develop somewhere  and maybe even be sold.

 

However, teams like Chelsea have been abusing the program for the past decade. Some loan fees are reported and sometimes they have language that says team X will get a "fee" and not disclose it. Chelsea loans out players as a way to balance their books and support the first team financially. it then gives the owner the ability to make a few big purchases or else they would be in violation of the financial fair play rules. the financial fair play rules requires clubs to not spend more income than they generate, and they must balance their books  in a three year period. this is how they balance the books. 


Err, if the fees are not disclosed, how exactly do they help balance the books for FFP purposes?

 

In general, you're not wrong that the loan system is being abused or at least exploited by teams that can afford to front a few (dozen) million for players and then patiently wait until they get a nice return on some of the prospects panning out, and FIFA/UEFA are actively looking into at least limiting the practice. Chelsea have indeed done very well on that front, but from the transfer fees that the players eventually get sold for. The loan fees are not large for most of the young players and are very often zero. (We're not talking about established players like Morata, for example, who can command sizable loan fees.)

 

And as pointed out numerous times, players do have to agree to these moves and of course to the transfers in the first place. In Miazga's case, he signed a new contract with Chelsea recently, so you can't even argue that he's being swindled as a wide-eyed youngster full of hopes and fake promises. Just playing the game and getting paid.



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FFP rules require all fees to be disclosed


Yes, but it is reported later. Not at the time of transfer.

Courtis had an issue a few years ago when he was loaned out and under the fee disclosure amount it said "big fee"

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It is unethical because they are not given the opportunity to develop as a professional soccer player. They think they can be a role player when they sign. Instead, they are treated as property that can be rented out or flipped.

It is not like they are 5 or 10 extra players on the roster. In some cases its 30, 60 or even 200 extra players. We all know that all of those players are not going to play with the first team. It's a shady practice that is ruining careers. You can laugh about it but it is messed up.

With all due respect, what you wrote above sounds very naive. I have nothing more to add here so Ill stop posting about this topic.

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With all due respect, what you wrote above sounds very naive. I have nothing more to add here so Ill stop posting about this topic.


It's a good thing that your not going to post on a topic you know nothing about.

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Miazga signed a new contract with Chelsea recently
playing the game and getting paid.


https://www.si.com/s...laves-loan-move
Matt seems quite aware of his situation, not naive.
Other players have left under similar circumstances.
https://amp.theguard...ers-says-tuchel

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It is unethical because they are not given the opportunity to develop as a professional soccer player. They think they can be a role player when they sign. Instead, they are treated as property that can be rented out or flipped.

It is not like they are 5 or 10 extra players on the roster. In some cases its 30, 60 or even 200 extra players. We all know that all of those players are not going to play with the first team. It's a shady practice that is ruining careers. You can laugh about it but it is messed up.


I would happily accept Chelsea unethically treating me this way.

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