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#16 impatient_ingrate

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Posted 14 December 2009 - 07:17 PM

We should be able to win the division again, provided Billingsley gets his head out of his ass and whatever budget scrap heap pitchers we add to the back of the rotation/bullpen pan out.

The McCourt divorce is fucking shit up, though. I ordered a dodger hat with fleece earflaps a month ago and it still hasn't even been shipped.

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Posted 14 December 2009 - 07:25 PM

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he was a bargin basement pickup to . . . wasn't it something like 11M ? in my mind the bad thing about that signing was the length of contract, as $11M for a fading superstar was pretty much the going rate (before the economic collapse).

i am just not sold on this "blame it on the divorce" thing. i forget who covers the dodgers for the times, but whoever they had at the winter meetings said "the dodgers lack of signings have nothing to do with the divorce. any impact from the divorce will be seen in the years to come, but not now."

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Posted 14 December 2009 - 07:53 PM

The failure to tender arbitration offers to either Wolf or Hudson are pretty clear indications as far as the divorce hindering signings. Hudson was pretty much a guarantee to decline arbitration so the "worst" thing that could happen aside from signing two draft picks was a one year deal if he did sign. Wolf probably would have declined too, since he was looking for a multiyear contract but if he accepted would it be so terrible to resign the team's best pitcher last season to a one year arbitration deal? Typically, good teams that are trying to win attempt to keep their best players.

Other than that, we wouldn't have been going after prize free agents like Lackey anyway. I think the only time I can remember the Dodgers signing a commodity free agent pitcher in the McCourt era is Derek Lowe.

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Posted 14 December 2009 - 08:18 PM

the divorce is having an impact. looking back there have been signs. if i remember correctly plascke wrote an article on something similar.

for an owner who said his goal is to bring a consistent top contender and have a championship caliber team, he sure has backed off in moving in that direction.

the dodgers will do ok, but don't expect to get into the world series with its current players. i'll reassess once the season starts and again during the trade deadline.

not thrilled at the moment.

Just look at the Padres. They went from top 3 in the NL 3 seasons ago, to pieces of shit who make petco park look bad.

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Posted 14 December 2009 - 08:30 PM

he was a bargin basement pickup to . . . wasn't it something like 11M ? in my mind the bad thing about that signing was the length of contract, as $11M for a fading superstar was pretty much the going rate (before the economic collapse).

i am just not sold on this "blame it on the divorce" thing. i forget who covers the dodgers for the times, but whoever they had at the winter meetings said "the dodgers lack of signings have nothing to do with the divorce. any impact from the divorce will be seen in the years to come, but not now."



2 years, $36.2M is bargain basement?!?!

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Posted 14 December 2009 - 11:48 PM

Juan Rivera for Derek Lowe??? I hope to god Tony Reagins isn't stupid to do this. I would love to see the Angels pick up Jason Bay, especially now that they have the money they're saving from not signing Lackey. Johnny Damon needs to be signed as well, Aybar isnt a leadoff hitter.

Pedro Martinez or whoever isnt going to do it. I hope this Cuban kid is good and we can sign him.

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Posted 15 December 2009 - 12:01 PM

According to ESPN the Dodgers just traded Juan Pierre to the White Soxs for 2 players to be named and cash....
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Posted 15 December 2009 - 12:10 PM

Lackey to Red Sux
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Posted 15 December 2009 - 12:26 PM

According to ESPN the Dodgers just traded Juan Pierre to the White Soxs for 2 players to be named and cash....

Just read the article waking up.

Hey Juan Pierre, you were so clutch while manny was out, we decided to reward you by letting you go. :)+

I really hope we have a trick up our sleeves now. SMH.




edit* plus the dodgers are paying half of the $18.5 million still owed to pierre! makes no sense.
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Posted 15 December 2009 - 01:54 PM

edit* plus the dodgers are paying half of the $18.5 million still owed to pierre! makes no sense.

i read this earlier, and you are leaving out one point . . .

that the dodgers can pick 2 players from a list of pitchers provided by the white sox. until we see who is on that last, it isn't possible to say if this is a good deal or not. personally, i find it hard to believe that the dodgers would give up pierre and pay part of his salary for bad pitching prospects.

if the dodgers can get 2 good pitching prospects out of this, i think it will go down as a great deal. after all, i don't expect pierre to replicate last season . . . as that is about the best you can expect from him. seems to me like a selling high, buying low kind of a deal . . . and those are usually good.

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i just looked at pierre's stats . . . 2009 was his best year since '03 or '04 (depending how you look at the numbers). personally, i think it is a great time to trade him (as i don't think his value is going up higher than it is right now). does that mean i think he will stink next year, no. considering that he is not a starter for the dodgers, that he had his best numbers in at least 5 years, and that the dodgers need pitching . . . this move makes sense. i just hope the dodgers were smart enough to ensure that some good arms are on that list.

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Posted 15 December 2009 - 02:06 PM

Other than that, we wouldn't have been going after prize free agents like Lackey anyway. I think the only time I can remember the Dodgers signing a commodity free agent pitcher in the McCourt era is Derek Lowe.

which is exactly why i am saying . . . the divorce has nothing to do with this. the dodgers haven't been in the market for high cost players before the seperation/divorce, and they aren't now. my take is, the mccourts leveraged everything they had on acquiring the dodgers . . . and didn't have enough capital to become the yankees / red sox of the west coast.

2 years, $36.2M is bargain basement?!?!

wasn't he signed to $11M annual contracts? i haven't looked it up but that is what i remember . . . if i am wrong, i am wrong . . . but that is what i thought they signed him to.

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my bad . . . 9M for 2008, 15M for 2009, 12M signing bonus

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Posted 15 December 2009 - 05:56 PM

Hmmm...they still play this game?

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Posted 15 December 2009 - 06:14 PM

Hmmm...they still play this game?

Who knew?

you are referring to cal football, right? if so, you are in the wrong thread.

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Posted 29 December 2009 - 12:28 PM

Not the most convincing of long-term outlooks for the blue crew...

interesting read

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Posted 29 December 2009 - 12:42 PM

Not the most convincing of long-term outlooks for the blue crew...

interesting read


The McCourts were bad news from day one. They had to use a tremendous amount of debt and leverage(more than most) to buy the franchise. It's a shame that Artie Moreno was not around to buy the team from Fox. Moreno continues to show that he is one of the better owners in baseball. Not sure if the Angels will ever be the top dog in LA, but if this situation plays out in the way that the Times thinks it might, watch out. I'd love to see someone like a Mark Cuban buy the team. He does not meddle, but he does have a sport IQ and knows what is needed to build a good franchise. I hope these carpetbaggers sell the team asap and go back to running parking lots and screwing their help.




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