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This has been true every season for about 10 years. Makes it hard if you whiff on consecutive DP9 players over 3 years, though.

Sure a whiff, but they are gambling. They are looking for big payout players - relatively young, relatively unproven. Those are the sorts who with a good season can suddenly be worth 3x-10x what you paid for them. 

 

Get me a proven striker damn it. 



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Sure a whiff, but they are gambling. They are looking for big payout players - relatively young, relatively unproven. Those are the sorts who with a good season can suddenly be worth 3x-10x what you paid for them. 

 

Get me a proven striker damn it. 

Dante is a "proven" striker.   Why his success in Belgium hasn't translated here is a mystery.   Is MLS really that much better than the Belgian Pro League?


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Dante is a "proven" striker.   Why his success in Belgium hasn't translated here is a mystery.   Is MLS really that much better than the Belgian Pro League?

43 goals in 79 games over there. Scoring a goal at least every other game. I didn't go watch his highlights or anything from over there but maybe his teammates were setting him up for slam dunk easy goals?

I don't care enough to go watch because no matter how you cut it 5 goals in 20 games here isn't enough.

Dude is an absolute bust so far.

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Dante is a "proven" striker.   Why his success in Belgium hasn't translated here is a mystery.   Is MLS really that much better than the Belgian Pro League?

Perhaps adjusting to a new country and culture and getting suspended for six matches early in your first season for alleged racist behavior isnt the ideal way to set yourself up for quick success.

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43 goals in 79 games over there. Scoring a goal at least every other game. I didn't go watch his highlights or anything from over there but maybe his teammates were setting him up for slam dunk easy goals?

I don't care enough to go watch because no matter how you cut it 5 goals in 20 games here isn't enough.

Dude is an absolute bust so far.

He has not met expectations but I think he needs a little more time to make a judgment about him.  He was here for Herr Struber which was disastrous for everyone and the link up play to him has been poor.  The miss on frame last night was not good but he has had glimpses of what potentially could be.  

 

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43 goals in 79 games over there. Scoring a goal at least every other game. I didn't go watch his highlights or anything from over there but maybe his teammates were setting him up for slam dunk easy goals?

I don't care enough to go watch because no matter how you cut it 5 goals in 20 games here isn't enough.

Dude is an absolute bust so far.

He has a goal every 223 minutes here, and in his last full season in Belgium, he scored a goal every 200 minutes.

 

He really hasn't played very much; he's 14th on the team in minutes played, and his average appearance length is like, 55 minutes.  The goals/game ratio is going to look like shit for almost any striker who's playing that little.



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He has not met expectations but I think he needs a little more time to make a judgment about him.  He was here for Herr Struber which was disastrous for everyone and the link up play to him has been poor.  The miss on frame last night was not good but he has had glimpses of what potentially could be.  
 
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I hope you're right but I find it impossible to be optimistic about this team currently.

We have a brutal schedule coming up and we need him to score.

8/20- DC at home, absolutely a must win game

8/26 - Miami at home, gonna be a sold out mainly pink Messi crowd and if they keep up their play won't be an easy game to get a result

8/30 - at New England, our record there is horrific, 8-28-10 plus we beat them 2x this year already so they will be up for the game

9/3 - at Philadelphia, our record here sucks too

This 4 game stretch has a really good chance to stink the already poor chances we have at making the playoffs. Our offense in the Leagues Cup was anemic even though we advanced further than we expected.

Would love nothing more for them to go prove me wrong and have them go 4-0.

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He has a goal every 223 minutes here, and in his last full season in Belgium, he scored a goal every 200 minutes.
 
He just really hasn't played very much; he's 14th on the team in minutes played.


Looks a lot better that way but I'm not convinced he's not a bust yet.

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He has not met expectations but I think he needs a little more time to make a judgment about him.  He was here for Herr Struber which was disastrous for everyone and the link up play to him has been poor.  The miss on frame last night was not good but he has had glimpses of what potentially could be.  
 
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Samething was said about klimala. The difference between vanzier and klimala is that at least klimala sprinted when he pressed. Vanzier doesnt do much on or off the ball.



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What was Vanziers role for his previous team and is it different than his role here - where he seems to peel out wide or come back as a bit of a false nine. Definitely not an out and out #9.

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It all comes down to no service and no #10. How many goals have we scored like last night? A well worked move and easy finish? Incredibly difficult to look good when you dont receive a high volume of chances and your strike partner goes from a guy who was just purchased by Bayer Leverkusen to Tom Barlow.

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What was Vanziers role for his previous team and is it different than his role here - where he seems to peel out wide or come back as a bit of a false nine. Definitely not an out and out #9.


Second striker playing off of a target in a 3-4-1-2 formation, I dont like the free role he has here.

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Oh - so what youre saying is we got the Marty Jannetty part of the duo

Greaaaaaat.

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He has a goal every 223 minutes here, and in his last full season in Belgium, he scored a goal every 200 minutes.
 
He really hasn't played very much; he's 14th on the team in minutes played, and his average appearance length is like, 55 minutes.  The goals/game ratio is going to look like shit for almost any striker who's playing that little.

Not getting enough playing time and not getting enough chances to get into a scoring rhythm and playing next to a soccer black hole are all arguments in favor of why he has not done better. Maybe another full offseeason and an uninterrupted season next year work wonders and he gets significantly better.

Him not finding the target on miltiple easy chances in recent games has me skeptical, but there's always a chance.

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Samething was said about klimala. The difference between vanzier and klimala is that at least klimala sprinted when he pressed. Vanzier doesnt do much on or off the ball.
 

I think that is not fair to Vanzier at least at this point.  Klimala had ample opportunities to score, he just could not do it and could do less with the ball.  Were Stuber tactics (or lack thereof) contributory, totally but Klimala was objectively not good here.  Vanzier has scored some nice goals and to be fair to him that miss last night was partially to Blake coming out early and having two defenders on his back.  It is still no excuse for not forcing the save or getting it on frame.  You may be right that they share similarities, but I do think it is a bit premature to make that comparison.  






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