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In the past couple weeks: Jack Mize (highly touted prospect. Dortmund), Edward Davis (academy and rostered with NYRBII this season, Union) and now Ezra Widman (3 games with NYRBII this season, Revs) have departed.

https://twitter.com/...xPfnpJmTOA&s=19

Haven't seen Sean McCafferty at any NYRBII matches the past couple home matches, including Futures, where you would think he'd be everywhere.

The academy through NYRBII is in a bad spot.
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In the past couple weeks: Jack Mize (highly touted prospect. Dortmund), Edward Davis (academy and rostered with NYRBII this season, Union) and now Ezra Widman (3 games with NYRBII this season, Revs) have departed.

https://twitter.com/...xPfnpJmTOA&s=19

Haven't seen Sean McCafferty at any NYRBII matches the past couple home matches, including Futures, where you would think he'd be everywhere.

The academy through NYRBII is in a bad spot.

wideman isnt an mls prospect and we dont have a u-19 team Ed Davis is fast but thats about it. Im not super worried about the players they lost from an academy perspective. Mize would have been great to keep but cant compete with Dortmund

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wideman isnt an mls prospect and we dont have a u-19 team Ed Davis is fast but thats about it. Im not super worried about the players they lost from an academy perspective. Mize would have been great to keep but cant compete with Dortmund


Nyrb can definitely compete with Dortmund. It comes down to money, who can offer the most clear pathway to becoming a professional soccer player and other amenities like schooling and dorming. Nyrb could offer a superior package to any youth player on those items. There is no excuse.



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Nyrb can definitely compete with Dortmund. It comes down to money, who can offer the most clear pathway to becoming a professional soccer player and other amenities like schooling and dorming. Nyrb could offer a superior package to any youth player on those items. There is no excuse.

It doesnt just come down to money, at least not the money at the youth/academy/USL level. Even if NY had offered a significant amount more, the player could, and should, still go to Dortmund. The upward mobility of a player coming out of Dortmund is much greater than it is coming out an MLS academy. Hes more likely to make more money over a full career being part of the Dortmund academy than an MLS academy. Also, he can come back to MLS if Dortmund doesnt work out.

Your viewpoint is centered around whats important to you. It doesnt take into consideration anything about the realities of world football.

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Nyrb can definitely compete with Dortmund. It comes down to money, who can offer the most clear pathway to becoming a professional soccer player and other amenities like schooling and dorming. Nyrb could offer a superior package to any youth player on those items. There is no excuse.
 

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Geo Reyna left NYC to go to small city western Germany/i.e. Dortmund and his dad was general manager for NYCFC. 


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Nyrb can definitely compete with Dortmund. It comes down to money, who can offer the most clear pathway to becoming a professional soccer player and other amenities like schooling and dorming. Nyrb could offer a superior package to any youth player on those items. There is no excuse.

the only thing that allows mls academies to compete with European ones is immigration laws. If all the top kids could move to Europe at 14 Id say 3/4ths of them would

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It doesnt just come down to money, at least not the money at the youth/academy/USL level. Even if NY had offered a significant amount more, the player could, and should, still go to Dortmund. The upward mobility of a player coming out of Dortmund is much greater than it is coming out an MLS academy. Hes more likely to make more money over a full career being part of the Dortmund academy than an MLS academy. Also, he can come back to MLS if Dortmund doesnt work out.

Your viewpoint is centered around whats important to you. It doesnt take into consideration anything about the realities of world football.

About me? I really have nothing to gain from this. Lets get real. It's easier to make it as a pro in MLS than Bundesliga.

There are dozens of US youth players who end up in europe and never developed their potential. Many of them would have had better careers if they developed in MLS.

Folks point out to the success of reyna and pulisic but there are way more examples of failures like gyau and preston Zimmerman. An MLS lifer like Dax had a better career and earned more money than those guys who were stars of their youth squads

If you look at the yanks that are on the youth teams in europe, there are so many that are nOt getting any playing time. How are they getting better? How is this good? You develop by playing not by watching others play. For that, many of those kids could save the trip to eurooe, turn on the tv and watch those euro teams play.

Now saying that a euro team like Dortmund provides better youth development or better chance in becoming a pro is a fallacy.

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About me? I really have nothing to gain from this. Lets get real. It's easier to make it as a pro in MLS than Bundesliga.

There are dozens of US youth players who end up in europe and never developed their potential. Many of them would have had better careers if they developed in MLS.

Folks point out to the success of reyna and pulisic but there are way more examples of failures like gyau and preston Zimmerman. An MLS lifer like Dax had a better career and earned more money than those guys who were stars of their youth squads

If you look at the yanks that are on the youth teams in europe, there are so many that are nOt getting any playing time. How are they getting better? How is this good? You develop by playing not by watching others play. For that, many of those kids could save the trip to eurooe, turn on the tv and watch those euro teams play.

Now saying that a euro team like Dortmund provides better youth development or better chance in becoming a pro is a fallacy.

gyau is 29 and still playing pro soccer despite like blowing out his knee 3 times and he wasnt ever the prospect a lot of these kids are. Yeah it could not work but mls system with academy kids is highly restricted which makes it harder to compete with the more open youth market in Europe

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About me? I really have nothing to gain from this. Lets get real. It's easier to make it as a pro in MLS than Bundesliga.

It's easier to get to MLS than the Bundesliga.

It's easier to have a professional career when you start at a high-level academy; there's a lot more room to fail downwards (see: Konrad de la Fuente).

If the choice is New York's academy or like...Augsburg's, choose New York. If it's New York or Borussia Dortmund, you're out of your mind to choose New York.

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Some players move academies because their parents' job is moved. Parents move because thier kids are on a path to pro. Parents forbid their kids to move to another country over school in the States. Parents encourage their kids to move to another country to grow their soccer skills. Parents want their kids to go to college then the pro route. Players may argue they are better off taking a HGP deal.

Every situation is a bit different. Every family dynamic is a bit different.

The concern with Red Bull is the rapid decay of the academy. You shouldn't have two academy players deemed good enough for NYRBII jumping ship the same season. The fact they got rid of the U23 team and U19 team were such poor moves. Not every player that plays in MLS will be ready at 17.
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It's easier to get to MLS than the Bundesliga.

It's easier to have a professional career when you start at a high-level academy; there's a lot more room to fail downwards (see: Konrad de la Fuente).

If the choice is New York's academy or like...Augsburg's, choose New York. If it's New York or Borussia Dortmund, you're out of your mind to choose New York.

In 2011, ben lenderman, an american, signed for Barcelona when he was 10 years old. There was alot of hype when he signed. What happen to him?

Well, today, he is 22 and only played 45 games professionally in poland. Now, I dont think he is good enough for an MLS squad.

he messed up and could have developed with the Galaxy and could have been a lot further along in his development.

Like him, there are hundreds of stories like this.Not everything in europe is as great as advertised. The development of American players is not prioritized since they count as foreigners

For an American, your better off developing in the states

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[T]hey got rid of the U23 team and U19 team were such poor moves. Not every player that plays in MLS will be ready at 17.

 

 

Yeah, that's pretty sad that they did away with those 2 squads. U23 team is where we got Brian White from, pretty he wasn't the only one to spend time with the NPSL/PDL team during the college summer break.


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In 2011, ben lenderman, an american, signed for Barcelona when he was 10 years old. There was alot of hype when he signed. What happen to him?

Well, today, he is 22 and only played 45 games professionally in poland. Now, I dont think he is good enough for an MLS squad.

he messed up and could have developed with the Galaxy and could have been a lot further along in his development.

Like him, there are hundreds of stories like this.Not everything in europe is as great as advertised. The development of American players is not prioritized since they count as foreigners

For an American, your better off developing in the states

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Like him, there are hundreds of stories like this.Not everything in europe is as great as advertised. The development of American players is not prioritized since they count as foreigners

For an American, your better off developing in the states

High risk/high reward. Of course not everyone is Pulisic/Reyna/McKennie, but if the player thinks their ceiling is sky high, going to Europe is the obvious choice. Yes, the failure rate will be higher, just the nature of the beast. If it's about just making it a professional player, sure, MLS is the easy and safe route, but that's a very low floor, and the kids going to Borussia etc are hoping to become world class, not "just" pros. 
 
Pulisic/Reyna/McKennie going through MLS would've been a waste of a year or two at best, and it could've even stunted their career or development. Counter-example: would Jordan Morris be a better player if he had made the leap to Europe in 2016 rather than signing for Seattle? I would think so, though the ACL injuries obviously haven't helped. 

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In 2011, ben lenderman, an american, signed for Barcelona when he was 10 years old. There was alot of hype when he signed. What happen to him?

Well, today, he is 22 and only played 45 games professionally in poland. Now, I dont think he is good enough for an MLS squad.

he messed up and could have developed with the Galaxy and could have been a lot further along in his development.

Like him, there are hundreds of stories like this.Not everything in europe is as great as advertised. The development of American players is not prioritized since they count as foreigners

For an American, your better off developing in the states

Few things.

Lederman also has Polish citizenship. He would have counted as both a domestic player AND a homegrown if he had made the grade at Barcelona. They weren't discouraging his development because he was American any more than they discouraged Messi's development because he was Argentine.

Lederman has 58 professional appearances, and last season played over 2,000 minutes for the 2nd-place finisher in Poland's top division, while making 3 appearances for the Poland U21s. He's only 22! You know who else was playing at that exact same level at 22? Luquinhas! Our second-best player this season! I'd say Lederman is doing just fine.

Sure, some players might develop better in the US. Some might develop better abroad. But you can't really know which is better for an individual player because, well, they're individuals. Everyone is different. Is Erik Palmer-Brown a better player because he stayed in Kansas rather than move to Juventus? Was Freddy Adu better off at D.C. than he would have been in the Milan academy? Would Christian Pulisic be a better player if he had joined the Union academy and followed the Aaronson path? Reyna at NYC? Those questions are completely unable to be answered, because every player's situation is so different. Same goes for someone like Lederman. You can't say that he'd have been better off in LA because no one can know that.

But, if you want to maximize the chance at having a professional career, having that Barcelona, Manchester United, Dortmund label at the top of your resume, and all the connections that go with it, gives you a much better shot than LA, New York, or Philadelphia ever has or could.




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