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Does anybody know why Haland did not go to Leipzig? Instead he goes to Dortmund who are directly competing with Leipzig in the Bundesliga. And it's not like Dortmund came with a huge offer. I find it very odd. 

 

Cause RBNY fans are wrong about the entire Red Bull organization just being a series of farm teams for Leipzig?



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Cause RBNY fans are wrong about the entire Red Bull organization just being a series of farm teams for Leipzig?

In the recent past, RB Salzburg have sold 13 players, for about $150M total.  Exactly one went to Leipzig (Leipzig paid ~$14M)

The only other intra-RB deal was a guy from RB Brazil went to Salzburg for an undisclosed amount.

 

If that's their philosophy, then they are terrible at executing against it.


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Their philosophy is to make money. Not to prop Leipzig up. If they've already developed an asset they can monetize (by selling to an outside team) then they will.

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In the case of Haaland (and Minamino), it looks good for them too and now other big European teams will look at Salzburg and pay big money for their players. Like someone said above, it is all about making money.



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It's all about selling beverages... The transfer fee is just ad revenue.


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It's all about selling beverages... The transfer fee is just ad revenue.


That's been the narrative for the past decade, except in the corporate world, it doesn't work like that. Each division of Red bull global would have its own P&L and has to answer to why they were or were not profitable. If Leipzig spends $100M on inbound signings, they better make it back via increased TV revenue, tournament winnings, etc. They can't just say "well the beverage division sold more cans, so it's ok that we're operating at a deficit


It's the reason why RBNY will never again be a big spending team. There's simply no reason to drop $10M on an incoming transfer if the ultimate end result (winning MLS cup, winning CCL) will not result in them recouping their $10M investment.

Even spending less and hoping to "flip" the player will now be seen as risky thanks to the Kaku debacle. Not to mention Jorgensen.

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That's been the narrative for the past decade, except in the corporate world, it doesn't work like that. Each division of Red bull global would have its own P&L and has to answer to why they were or were not profitable. If Leipzig spends $100M on inbound signings, they better make it back via increased TV revenue, tournament winnings, etc. They can't just say "well the beverage division sold more cans, so it's ok that we're operating at a deficit


It's the reason why RBNY will never again be a big spending team. There's simply no reason to drop $10M on an incoming transfer if the ultimate end result (winning MLS cup, winning CCL) will not result in them recouping their $10M investment.

Even spending less and hoping to "flip" the player will now be seen as risky thanks to the Kaku debacle. Not to mention Jorgensen.

Why are other teams dropping that money though if they also can't recoup it?

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It's all about selling beverages... The transfer fee is just ad revenue.


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Nothing about watching this team makes me want to drink red bull.


It's not you. It's every time Red Bull (New York, Leipzig, Salzburg, Bragantino) is mentioned on American, German, Austrian, European, Brazilian television / websites.


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Does anybody know why Haland did not go to Leipzig? Instead he goes to Dortmund who are directly competing with Leipzig in the Bundesliga. And it's not like Dortmund came with a huge offer. I find it very odd. 


Many U also very badly wanted him.

When both teams qualified for group stages of Champions League Group play, there was a formal investigation. You cant have the same owners have 2 teams, because of potential collusion.

RB made modifications to their structure and showed that they were 2 totally independent clubs. Both clubs were allowed to play in the Group stage.


For the moment, they have to be very careful regarding transfers to each other.


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That's been the narrative for the past decade, except in the corporate world, it doesn't work like that. Each division of Red bull global would have its own P&L and has to answer to why they were or were not profitable. If Leipzig spends $100M on inbound signings, they better make it back via increased TV revenue, tournament winnings, etc. They can't just say "well the beverage division sold more cans, so it's ok that we're operating at a deficit


It's the reason why RBNY will never again be a big spending team. There's simply no reason to drop $10M on an incoming transfer if the ultimate end result (winning MLS cup, winning CCL) will not result in them recouping their $10M investment.

Even spending less and hoping to "flip" the player will now be seen as risky thanks to the Kaku debacle. Not to mention Jorgensen.

But its not "the corporate world."   There is no public ownership, no GAAP reporting, no fiduciary responsibility to anyone but Dieter.    All of the sports sponsorships are just that, sports sponsorship.     These teams are all just marketing programs to help sell the drink.  They have no true P&L in the sense you seem to think they have.     Lindsey Vonn doesn't have a P&L.    DIeter spends whatever he thinks is worth spending on whatever he feels like spending it on.


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That's been the narrative for the past decade, except in the corporate world, it doesn't work like that. Each division of Red bull global would have its own P&L and has to answer to why they were or were not profitable. If Leipzig spends $100M on inbound signings, they better make it back via increased TV revenue, tournament winnings, etc. They can't just say "well the beverage division sold more cans, so it's ok that we're operating at a deficit

Often true, but there are sometimes overarching organization principles, loss leaders, etc.

E.g., RB spends a lot of money on athlete/extreme sport/sending a guy to space sponsorships with an eye on an indirect return in cans sold, and it's working. https://www.redbull....company-profile (See Cans Sold in 2018, don't want to paste the full paragraphs)

Note that there is a region that's conspicuously missing on the YOY increase list there. And while NYRB isn't necessarily a golden bullet solution to increasing the US market (questionable how much soccer moves the needle here, etc), it may well be worth some additional investment.

Maybe/definitely not 10M/year more but a million or two could have positive ROI (cans, butts in RBA seats, merch, the next Tyler going to our academy and not NYC, etc). Of course spent on the right players fit for the RB system. ;)

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Why are other teams dropping that money though if they also can't recoup it?

Because for many owners owning a sports team is a vanity project. They want to win first, and make money second. Most expect to not make money, at least for awhile after purchase.

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Maybe because they already have Timo Werner who's on fire (untill they sell him to Liverpool) and some other serious talent.   He had a ~$25M release clause, so he could go wherever he wanted once that number as offered.

 

“There is basically much more to it than just the transfer fee,” he added. “There is the salary, signing fee, fees for the consultant and clauses on top of it.”

When asked if Haaland would be playing regularly if he had joined Leipzig, Krosche responded: “No, with us there is no playing guarantee for any player! We have strong competition with Timo [Werner], Yussi [Poulsen], [Matheus] Cunha and Patrik [Schick]. 

“Haaland would have fought for a place in the team with them. Other clubs may have more of a demand for players up front, so it's easier to slide right in.”

Throw in that Mino Raiola is Haaland's agent and he's not gonna be swept up in RB corporate nonsense, he's looking for him and his client to get paid big and set up his career for more transfers in the future. 



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They seem to have this play book that Dolan made....

They just have the team to have it and have people running it that dint know what they are doing...

I bashed the idea of Curtis but he and Jesse built that high paced press team that did well...

They seem to just own the team to just have it and maybe when it's worth a billion they'll sell if it ever gets that high
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