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Veron has been a great super sub I agree. Let's ride that super sub to MLS Cup. He's not a starter obviously, we've seen that unfortunately.

 

So he didn't look good starting as the lone striker in the 4-2-3-1 with Sacha at CAM in the CCL last year?

 

And he didn't look decent starting on the wing with Sacha at CAM and BWP at striker in the 4-2-3-1 against DC last season and against Montreal in the playoffs?

 

Or are you limiting your judgement on his starts in the 4-2-2-2 or his starts in the 4-2-3-1 without Sacha and BWP?

 

I have no problem with him coming off the bench or just spot starting for BWP, but when put in good circumstances, he's played ok as a sub and as a starter.  Not DP, but way better than he's given credit for.



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Veron looked good starting in the BWP role in the cup games.

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over the past several weeks, he's actually sorta playing up to the expectations of what we all saw in his youtube vids!


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over the past several weeks, he's actually sorta playing up to the expectations of what we all saw in his youtube vids!

I still see his runs being way too slow when chasing a ball with defender..  not sure



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As far as I'm concerned, I hope he does well for us, then we get rid of him at the end of the year for some value in return. He took too long to get with the Jesse Marsh program. On another thought, I think he will stay with the team another year because he is the coach's pick.



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Marsch has never given Veron a solid run with the first team to help him gel on the pitch in real matches, everything is about what happens in training.  But the team hasn't really lost a beat when Veron's come in for BWP and they've arguably looked better when he's come on for Muyl.


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The fact has been made on this board over and over by many people that Veron is just a better fit up top than he is on the wing. I don't think he's a great natural fit on the wing in our 4-2-3-1 or whatever we're rolling out these days (3-3-2-1?). Part of that is that his game really is more predicated on making hard runs at and through opposing team's backline, and clearing space, rather than spreading out wide the way Royer does as a winger, or the way Sam would combine.  Marsch never really figured out how to use this skillset properly within the 4-2-3-1, and also injuries definitely hampered Veron. 

 

Having said that were Muyl or Grella really better than him last year on the wing? I don't think so. Veron was our best offensive player in the playoffs (not saying much but still) and of course probably our best player in the CCL last season. He should have been getting more minutes. I'm glad he's pulling it together. If we can get a good CB and Sacha gets his head out of his ass, this team can still make a run. 



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Assuming it was Titi who made that call. Rightfully so. 

 

Veron needs to start, there's no reason why Muyl should be starting over him. Very curious to see how the lineup shapes up when everyone is back from Gold Cup and healthy, plus any new additions.

You are correct, sir. It was Titi.



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Ride the hot hand.  Let's give Muyl a rest and let Gonzalo handle the wing for a couple of weeks.  Him and Royer have been our two best players now for over a month.

He is terrible on the wing.  The comparison isn't between Veron and Muyl, they do entirely different things.

 

Now that we have determined that Veron can be effective in the supersub role, playing limited minutes up top to create chances when the opposition is worn down, the conclusion is to go back to playing him more minutes in a role where he sucked?

 

If its not broken, don't fix it.



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He is terrible on the wing.  The comparison isn't between Veron and Muyl, they do entirely different things.
 
Now that we have determined that Veron can be effective in the supersub role, playing limited minutes up top to create chances when the opposition is worn down, the conclusion is to go back to playing him more minutes in a role where he sucked?
 
If its not broken, don't fix it.

Veron being terrible on the wing is just not true. He for sure is a different player than Muyl. Muyl tracks back better and Veron stretches defenses better.

Veron was our best winger in the 2016 playoffs.




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