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Poll: chris armas is a good successor to jesse marsch (71 member(s) have cast votes)

chris armas is a good successor to jesse marsch

  1. yes (16 votes [22.54%])

    Percentage of vote: 22.54%

  2. no (4 votes [5.63%])

    Percentage of vote: 5.63%

  3. till early to tell (51 votes [71.83%])

    Percentage of vote: 71.83%

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Are 2 games in enough time to judge his abilities? The time looked sluggish versus the blue poseurs. The same can be said for first half kc. Were we just lucky with the subs rescuing the team from bad loss?



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I feel like there are very few jobs on the planet where, short of some seriously gross negligence, two weeks is enough to judge performance or even potential. Head coach of a professional soccer team is definitely not one of them.

 

Armas is trying to make a few changes to the team's style of play that may take some time to pan out, but that happened under Marsch too. Remember how bad the team looked at the start of 2017 when he was trying to force Papa Red Bull's 4-2-2-2? We lost of a few games because of that formation alone, but Marsch eventually made other adjustments to get the team back up to speed. Fans owe Armas the same window to adjust, especially with a transfer window ahead of him to make up for multiple season-ending injuries.

 

We're mid-season in a year where the Supporter's Shield doesn't qualify you for CCL, and we're a lock for a decent playoff spot. If there were ever a time to try out a few new things, its now. We still need time to see if Armas's ideas work, and if not whether he's willing to admit it and move on to something else.



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Ask me this a week ago, and I would have said, without hesitation,  "no." Now that the sting of the way Jesse leaving has somewhat dulled, I'm starting to think he needs about a month to see exactly what kind of coach he will be. We need to see how he will respond to different game situations. We've seen two totally different outcomes and two totally different sub strategies. 

 

Luckily, he inherited a team that is in a good spot in the standing, and has a lot of skill. Ask this question once we see how the team plays for the next 5 games. Personally, I think the fact that he has spent so much time with these players and with Jesse/RB tactics already is going to help.



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To early to tell
Team did look sluggish lacking press.
Appreciate him trying new things like more possession / trying to address bunker.
Interested to see if he prioritizes getting top players on the field and how subs game strategy tactics go

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On paper he's a good choice but it's way too early to tell.  No fan of that Seattle coach and he won an MLS cup taking over that team in the 2nd half. The time you usually can really tell about a coach is the next full season.  By then players have tested the coach to see what they can get away with and learn the new level of accoutability.  Plus it's more time for the new coach's stamp to get put on the team.  That stamp isn't always good.



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I think he's fine for the rest of the season, since i'm not sure you're going to have better luck finding a replacement and implementing a new system in the meantime. Armas has been there and the players know him. Should be good enough to patch it through the rest of the way.

 

That said, they're certainly good enough to be decent playoff caliber team. If he takes this below the red line the rest of the way, then he can't stay.



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I think he is the best mid-season choice.  Do we know how long of a contract he has?



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Too much was made of the NYCFC game.  NYCFC are a very good team and are one of the only teams in the league that should be expected to beat us in their home.  Plus, Torrent was much smarter than PV ever was and decided not to play a style that basically was the ideal fodder for our press.  Despite not playing particularly well, we would have had a tied except for one bone headed back pass between two of our most consistent performers.  Let's not forget that Marsch failed to beat NYCFC once last year, including a 2-0 loss at RBA.  Marsch has had a number of results against NYCFC that were worse than Armas's first try in what was likely our most difficult and unpredictable match against them in years due to their coaching change.


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Were two games in...

Glad most people say its too early to tell.

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Armas is trying to make a few changes to the team's style of play that may take some time to pan out, but that happened under Marsch too. Remember how bad the team looked at the start of 2017 when he was trying to force Papa Red Bull's 4-2-2-2? We lost of a few games because of that formation alone, but Marsch eventually made other adjustments to get the team back up to speed. Fans owe Armas the same window to adjust, especially with a transfer window ahead of him to make up for multiple season-ending injuries.

In agreement that he should be given time and two games is way too early to make any kind of judgement.  That said, why is he making any changes at all?  When Marsch was trying to shoehorn the 4-2-2-2 in, a big part of the reason, along with it being Ralf's preferred formation, was to get Veron on the pitch.  There's no reason for Armas to fix something that isn't broken.



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How buddy-buddy was he with the players before being promoted? It's hard to become a disciplinarian (if needed), if you have been too chummy.



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In agreement that he should be given time and two games is way too early to make any kind of judgement.  That said, why is he making any changes at all?  When Marsch was trying to shoehorn the 4-2-2-2 in, a big part of the reason, along with it being Ralf's preferred formation, was to get Veron on the pitch.  There's no reason for Armas to fix something that isn't broken.

 

Fans have been shouting from the rooftops for years to develop a style that's more effective against teams that defend deep, a more possession-based style is one of the ways to do that. Can't ask for change then question it when it comes.

 

This is assuming of course that Armas is flexible/capable enough to still go all-out press when needed and is just tinkering around right now.



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Fans have been shouting from the rooftops for years to develop a style that's more effective against teams that defend deep, a more possession-based style is one of the ways to do that. Can't ask for change then question it when it comes.
 
This is assuming of course that Armas is flexible/capable enough to still go all-out press when needed and is just tinkering around right now.

Sitting a little deeper and playing out of the back more, seem to be the two changes hes implemented. Problem is, neither does much to help against teams that bunker (see Spain v Russia). We lost the City game on a possession we played out if the back and they defended high. I guess he confirmed high-press > playing-out-of-the-back.

Im all for experimentation, but it has to make sense and there is a time and a place for it.

Im going to assume Armas told RZA to shoot from distance before the substitution. So Im giving Armas credit not only for bringing RZA on, but also for the tactics.

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Sitting a little deeper and playing out of the back more, seem to be the two changes hes implemented. Problem is, neither does much to help against teams that bunker (see Spain v Russia). We lost the City game on a possession we played out if the back and they defended high. I guess he confirmed high-press > playing-out-of-the-back.

Im all for experimentation, but it has to make sense and there is a time and a place for it.

Im going to assume Armas told RZA to shoot from distance before the substitution. So Im giving Armas credit not only for bringing RZA on, but also for the tactics.

That's a REALLY small sample size. Spain have done quite well over the past 10 years. They haven't won every game against the bunker, but no one has a 100% record. Also, Spain's subs v Russia were late and they looked significantly better afterwards; hopefully Armas has now learned that lesson.

 

Possessing the ball and not giving it to the other team is generally a winning strategy. Especially if you can also defend well against quick counter attacks, which is something we've definitely struggled against under Marsch. The time and place for experimentation is exactly now, isn't it? When do you think it is - play out the season and wait for next year? The team as currently constructed and Armas are far from guaranteed to be still here or as good in 8+ months.



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Possession will also help our already decent goals against avg. They can't score if the other team doesn't have the ball, and as long as we defend better as a team on set pieces. We are by far the best defense in the league, irrespective of who's coach. 


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