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Poll: chris armas is a good successor to jesse marsch (71 member(s) have cast votes)

chris armas is a good successor to jesse marsch

  1. yes (16 votes [22.54%])

    Percentage of vote: 22.54%

  2. no (4 votes [5.63%])

    Percentage of vote: 5.63%

  3. till early to tell (51 votes [71.83%])

    Percentage of vote: 71.83%

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I still wish they had went with Wolly because he knows the system, has significant experience as a head coach and has actually won a title as a coach.
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Doyle's latest piece sums up the change to Armas for me right now. Hoping the team is just in transition to a more lethal version of itself:

 

My Worry: Ok yeah, all is well, but it's still jarring to see how differently this team plays compared to earlier in the season. I looked through a bunch of numbers to try to put my finger on it, and only came up with this one to shed a little bit of light: Their passing accuracy in the attacking third has improved significantly over the past seven games.

That's a good thing, right? Well, kind of, as long as it's in the service of creating better chances.

 

{graphic showing Armas' team is taking 3 more final third passes per shot than Marsch's}

 

They've got 11g in seven games under Armas, and had 34 in 16 under Jesse Marsch. They keep winning and they actually lead the league in PPG, and patience is probably a virtue. Going by the eye test, though, if you asked me "are the Red Bulls playing as well as they were earlier in the season?" I'd definitely say "nah."



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Agree with that thought from Doyle. Said the same thing in the last game thread and even others.  It's weird because I'm not crazy about what I'm seeing, but we are winning.  

 

The other thing is that Marsch typically liked to chase the goal after we got a lead.  Armas is showing that he likes to go defensive.  A couple games now of adding defensive types of players late in games that are tight.  Marsch would usually keep the same amount of attackers knowing that the opposing team was going to throw everything forward, and we'd likely get a great chance that would end the game.

 

For what it's worth, I prefer Marsch's way of going about that situation. Always on the attack.

 

The wild thing too is that we are passing more often which is nice for possession but it's also against the premise of the system.  The whole premise of the system is to take advantage of the 2 or 3 seconds when you win the ball back and the opposing team is at it's most vulnerable. 



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I agree with you that they now are starting to look different...

It's too soon to judge Armas...

Maybe they only look different because of wear and tear and now that they've played half a season together they may feel a little more comfortable on the ball...

But I get the feel that under Jesse team was about speed and hi press and the hi press was their creative spark....

Under Armas I want to say that they more a possession side but more creative, they play and trust Royer Kaku more to make a final pass.. And it's worked...

Goal vs Chicago showed that they haven't changed drastically either or abandoned the hi press more that the in game tactics of not playing direct unless they have a glaring chance to is the only difference I see in such a small sample of action to analyze....

It's more like the personality.. Jesse always seemed tactical and direct as a player with high work rate and while Armas seemed that way too he seemed more like the guy that had grit... That last win they grinded it out...

I would like to see that on the road sometimes but I hope especially against a team in bad form that they try to get a second goal before going defensive...
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when Marsch kept it the same wrt subs and not fielding extra defenders late, is that partly why we lost some late leads/couldn't hold leads? 

 

some deep philosophical stuff, best defense is a good offense, that sorta shit. we are where we are currently due to having the best defense period. 


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It really hasn't worked from an offensive standpoint though.  It's not like we are creating more chances. We're certainly not scoring as many goals.  We are winning because we don't give up any goals.  That won't continue either (as good as the back 4 is) because we are still giving up some chances and we are getting fortunate that a lot of these half chances aren't going in against us.



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Scoring sell tickets, defense wins championships.  

 

Except the "scoring sells tickets" part....    thanks anyway, BWP


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So far, I like him better than Marsch.  

 

1) Because he gives a shit and looks genuinely thrilled to be the coach here.

2) Because he hasn't made stupid lineup decisions lately.

 

This is all subject to change.


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This is all subject to change.

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So far, I like him better than Marsch.  
 
1) Because he gives a shit and looks genuinely thrilled to be the coach here.
2) Because he hasn't made stupid lineup decisions lately.
 
This is all subject to change.


Didn't we spend an entire week after the Columbus game tearing apart his lineup decisions?

Armas is showing to be a great in-game manager though, after sitting pat in his debut against NYCFC the subs he's made have been proactive and have given the team new looks.

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Going by the eye test, though, if you asked me "are the Red Bulls playing as well as they were earlier in the season?" I'd definitely say "nah."


Doyle also recently put out a piece arguing that targeted possession around the box is how you break down a bunker defense, which seems to be exactly what Armas is trying to fix.

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Let's hope it's a work in progress, because while he is adding new dimensions, the attack looks stagnant. 



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Armas vs Marsch stats updated:

https://twitter.com/...0518611968?s=21

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Armas vs Marsch stats updated:

https://twitter.com/...0518611968?s=21


There was an article in The Athletic (paywall) where Armas still has weekly conversations with Marsh and they exchange ideas about both RB TEAMS

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Armas vs Marsch stats updated:

https://twitter.com/...0518611968?s=21

Difference seems relatively small, we'll see if the playoff outcomes vary.






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