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#1 Armani

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Posted 11 December 2007 - 03:54 PM

no seriously, dude is a great guy. I like having him around. He did nothing wrong in the JCO debacle and he found him in the first place.

So let me be the first to say I think John Guppy is a class act both in and out of the office

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Posted 11 December 2007 - 03:58 PM

God Bless this thread!!!!


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Posted 11 December 2007 - 04:00 PM

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"...and then I says, tell me I'm wrong! and he says, 'I can't, baby, 'CAUSE YOU'RE NOT!'"

Guppy isn't at fault here. I just hope he can pull another trick out of his hat.

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Posted 11 December 2007 - 04:03 PM

Can I have some of what you are smoking.





Seriously that has to be some massively illegal, mind-altering, brain cell destroying stuff.






P.S. I hope this thread stays jovial and people don't get too heated on either side or else the worst result out of this whole fucked up situation is now the Section will have turned on itself.

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Posted 11 December 2007 - 04:03 PM

I am not just talking about JCO. I mean he brought in Blanco, and over all he as been making real improvement and i am glad to Have him at out club.

Guppy i owe you a beer :cheers:

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Posted 11 December 2007 - 04:14 PM

I support Pattrick's position.

Loving PW and knowing he got fucked by our former owners is not in locked opposition to appreciating what JG has done. I could well do without some of the decisions that have been made by people he hired - but regardless. He's not Beelzebub. he needs to put on a better public face, though, because most people haven't seen the JG some of us have.

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None of this should or will result in "the section turning on itself". People have had differing opinions on the club for a long time. I know there were vocal elements that hated Marsch, Razov, Bradley, and Wilt among us in past years. That didn't prevent us from supporting our club together.

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Posted 11 December 2007 - 04:24 PM

To expand on Liam's point, Guppy definitely has an image issue, though he was in a tough place following up an act like PW. I've only talked to JG once at length, but he came across as genuine and passionate. I wish more supporters saw that side of him.

That's not to say he's been an ideal GM, just discussing the perception of him personality wise from what little I know.
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Posted 11 December 2007 - 04:27 PM

He definitely has an image issue. Dude needs a publicist and to get out and have a beer more often.

But JG sincerely cares about the club. He's not PW. No one will ever be. But he's certainly not stupid. And he's not out to fuck us at every turn. Some of us have seen it, and more fans need to see what we've seen.

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Posted 11 December 2007 - 04:35 PM

None of this should or will result in "the section turning on itself". People have had differing opinions on the club for a long time. I know there were vocal elements that hated Marsch, Razov, Bradley, and Wilt among us in past years. That didn't prevent us from supporting our club together.


I agree that in the end we will all be singing at the top of our lungs come April. Sometimes it seems people say things that if were said in the real world, you'd expect to never hear them again. But that is the nature of anonymity/protection that these intertubes provide people. Good times. Good times.

Loving PW and knowing he got fucked by our former owners is not in locked opposition to appreciating what JG has done. I could well do without some of the decisions that have been made by people he hired - but regardless. He's not Beelzebub. he needs to put on a better public face, though, because most people haven't seen the JG some of us have.


I will admit that JG's actions this year (Blanco, JCO, Conde) made me not hate him. But this situation just makes me feel that someone let this organization be treated no better than if we were tied up in the basement of a gun shop in Pulp Fiction. I know JCO and New Jersey RB deserve some of the blame but JG has to have a portion too.

JCO was better than DS. Now for me not to feel like I should go medieval on him Guppy will have to find someone better than JCO. That is how this could become a forgivable situation. Find the Fire its Arsene Wegner/Sir Alex. Call me crazy but I thought for a while JCO could have been that manager.

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Posted 11 December 2007 - 05:24 PM

At first I never thought I'd like Guppy because of having so much love for PW and what had happened. But none of that is Guppy's fault and he has done some wonderful things. He is also a great person and good for a laugh. So I love Guppy too.

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Posted 11 December 2007 - 05:27 PM

Guppy is definitely alright in my book

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Posted 11 December 2007 - 05:41 PM

Everybody has been so rash one way or another - the team is going through some more changes, and the man is trying to handle his business. I still love Guppy for now, and I don't think anyone has too much reason to hate him yet. Let's see what happens the rest of the off season and through the next season. He may define himself in his ability or inability to keep this team's momentum going and continue progressing toward being the top team in the league. After the dust settles, then we can judge.

Today's discussion does go in Guppy's favor thus far, in my opinion, though.

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Posted 11 December 2007 - 05:42 PM

Okay, I'm glad that Guppy brought JCO here and helped to salvage our season. But I want to know what happened with these "unfulfilled promises" to JCO. Did the team make promises and not follow up on them? Is JCO pulling off a boldfaced lie in order to justify his move to NYC?

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By the time the Fire was willing to improve his contract in hopes of keeping him, the damage had already been done.



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Posted 11 December 2007 - 07:06 PM

Yes, I'm wondering if there was a playoff bonus that wasn't delivered.
He stated his goal was to get the team to the play offs in his initial press conference.

Who knows. I can't bash Guppy for things I don't know.

I can give Gupster some props for some positive things this year:

Blanco
JCO
Consession improvements.
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And some boos for things he could improve:

The north lot was crowded and often fouled with tar.
Tailgating hours were cut back.
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Posted 11 December 2007 - 07:16 PM

The north lot was crowded and often fouled with tar.
Tailgating hours were cut back.

I don't have details but my understanding is there is movement to address both.




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